What Did I Miss?

It’s been a year—but Mack, Mondo, and Torrean are back behind!

This episode, we’re digging into the real, the raw, and the ridiculous:

• A Tech CEO caught cheating 👀 (and what that says about modern relationships)
• The hidden weight of parent resentment 💔
• And how we can prove to our kids that anything is possible 🌟

We’ve lived it, now we’re here to talk it. No filters. No sugarcoating. Just the conversations you’ve been waiting for.

So… welcome us back. Hit play. Let’s get into it.

Transcript

Torrean: 0:02

Yo, yo yo, what's good y'all? Welcome back to another episode of the they Call Me Daddy Appearance Podcast. We are officially, officially back this time. Let me introduce my co-host to you. We got Mac and we got Mondo. How y'all doing today? My name is Torian, aka Daddy. Welcome back, man. It feels so good to be behind this microphone.

Mack: 0:24

Okay, okay, good energy. That was daddy. Welcome back, man. It feels so good to be behind this mic.

Torrean: 0:29

Okay, okay, good energy that was good, that was good, coming in with high energy. Okay, yes, sir, how y'all feeling, man, right? I guess this is the third time. We're second time. You know, I'm saying this season three the second one don't count.

Mondo: 0:38

Yeah, we're going through.

Mack: 0:40

Yeah, we had one episode for season two. That was cool.

Mondo: 0:42

That's a bridge episode which is by far our most streamed episode too, so you know we'll leave it there.

Mack: 0:48

Oh word of facts.

Torrean: 0:49

Okay, yes, sir.

Mondo: 0:50

Yeah.

Torrean: 0:51

Yeah, we back man. So what's been up? What's been up with y'all man? You know it's been like over a year since we actually you no, that's crazy. A lot has happened in the last year. You reunited your family.

Mondo: 1:11

We ain't started yet.

Torrean: 1:12

You reunited your family. That was dope Even though only thing is I never seen a litter with just one puppy.

Mack: 1:23

You got to offer the context because people are listening. They probably like dang his family done, broke up no okay, my bad my bad, so everybody know everybody know, mac is, you know, half human, half bulldog.

Mondo: 1:36

And hey, we ain't starting off like that hey, nobody will hear that shit man, anybody will hear that shit man. Everybody would hear that. Nah.

Torrean: 1:51

When you starting on season three like that, bro, my bad Too. You didn't say I couldn't say nothing personal. That's the thing. Like that was a little too personal, my bad G. Nah for real, though, but you did get a puppy right.

Mondo: 2:03

Yeah, we got a puppy man. Mac, my oldest son, wanted a dog man, so I gave in. It was like all right, we could try this again. But I ain't going to lie, it is a lot of responsibility and he be getting on my nerves already. But he a cool little dude though, reminds me of Torian.

Mack: 2:17

What's your name?

Mondo: 2:19

T2.

Mack: 2:20

T2? Yeah, t2, yeah, m6, m6, okay, yeah, what y'all been up to, though? Oh man, for me, man cadence is going off to college in a few days, and so that's a big deal. Heading off to houston, so that's a thousand mile hike, and so that's about to be just crazy different. I know this whole parent podcast has been a lot about our kids, man, and so just being at that intersection where it's like been a dad present 18 years now, it's like you got to send her off into the world, and so that's just that's huge. So I'm, uh, I'm excited, I am. I'm actually not nervous, I'm more like anticipating, just like dope stuff to happen, because I remember when I stepped into college and just the up and down roller coasters and lessons that we learn in life, bro, like college really does something to you, and so I'm excited for her to experience that. That's what's up.

Mack: 3:24

Yeah that that's what's up.

Torrean: 3:25

Yeah, now that's what's up. Man, you know, running a business, a big business with over 300 plus employees and, you know, trying to find the balance between that and being a dad. It's just, it's crazy. Yesterday was a really proud moment. Yeah, last night, uh found this video on instagram of a kid that built this um structure out of jenga blocks, right and um, he was able to balance it on one and he was trying to show what balance actually looks like. And so I showed rainy this thing and I'm like you think you could do this. It's just a whole. How did he do? You know, it was a big ordeal because I mean it was pretty dope.

Torrean: 4:06

So last night, after I finished Happy Gilmore 2, we decided to try it, I guess right before her bedtime and everything else, and I told her to try it on her own. But she was like this is just too hard, couldn't get it. And we did it together. And long story short. I tried it first, I couldn't get it. She tried, did it together. And long story short. I tried it first, I couldn't get it. She tried it, she couldn't get it. I tried again, couldn't get it.

Torrean: 4:29

And like the fourth try, um, she was able to do it and it's just a huge accomplishment. So then it was like, hey, can we get these blocks to stay overnight with with a balance overnight? That was kind of our thing before we went to bed. And um, this morning the first thing she did was Daddy, it's still there, it's still there. And so just seeing her achieve something that she felt was impossible last night really just made me feel good. I went to sleep, felt good Morning walk this morning, felt real good about that. So I just wanted to share that with y'all. Man, like you know, I'm really big into her just achieving whatever she wants to achieve and showing her that, hey, you can do anything, and um, and so now she kind of learned a little bit about physics. Right, you know the law of, the law of uh of balance.

Mack: 5:13

I was about to say man, he about to create some law, like, like he just told that whole story, it was all good. Then he wanted to get too smart talking about the law of uh hey, the law of balance.

Torrean: 5:26

I don't even know if that's the thing you know. Log, log gravity. I guess it would be. I don't know, I'm not a nerd, I'm just saying you was.

Mack: 5:32

You hit it right on the head, t and then you try to jump to physics like like, I'm like like I'm about to make this, I'm about to level this up and then just say the law of balance Law of balance.

Torrean: 5:47

Hey, I put it in eight-year-old terms. You know what I'm saying.

Mack: 5:50

I feel that, hey, I do want to piggyback that, though T, you already heard this, but I'll let you in on this Mac. I got a chance to spend some time with Torian and Rainey the other weekend and I was down in the basement smacking torian up in this golf game and, uh, rainy was playing. It's like what's like one in the morning, right, and she's playing. What is it? Like lava, like you can't touch the ground type.

Torrean: 6:20

Yeah, floor is lava. So we got her these like floor is lava blocks yeah.

Mack: 6:26

And so, like we in the middle of this game, and she's like, well, you got to create a course for me, right? And so I would create a course, torian create a course, I would create a whatever, right. And she's like doing these courses while we're playing the game, and and then Torian creates this course and I'm just like, bro, this course, wild fam, you about to have her taking a major L. I'm like that might be too hard. And, to Torian's point, she was experiencing some L's, right.

Mack: 6:59

But the reason why I'm telling this story is because, as we're playing this game, torian is really intentional to be like oh, it's okay, baby, you can do it. Oh, okay, you can do it, just another try, you can do it. And just kind of kept amping her and kept showing her that, even though he was getting smacked up in the game by me, he was like still being a present dad and making sure that he was, he was offering her that, those words, words of encouragement. And then in the end she ended up getting it and I was like yo, that's super dope. And so I was just telling t the other day, like to rainy at that age, like the floor is lava, like that's real yeah, yeah, yeah and so she's just like yo, like I conquered this epic board of floor is lava and my dad was there to support me.

Mack: 7:46

And I just feel like little moments like that like really make a difference in the lives of kids, and so I applauded torian, just wanted to let him know. So, like what he's saying about jenga, I'm just like, oh, that just reaffirms that. Like, no matter what, torian continues to show up those positive words.

Torrean: 8:01

So shout out to you as a dad t I appreciate that, appreciate that you know all truth, one lie, which is all good. You know because I am late champion. Oh my god, you ain't beat me bro I had to leave y'all been playing golf games forever together, bro.

Torrean: 8:19

That's that's funny yeah, well, you know, ps5, man that's. They got like these classic games that you can download and stuff, and so golf and Olympics was one that was like the only thing that Mondo could play to really kind of keep it close growing up. So you know, kind of keep it close is the key phrase right there. But yeah, we downloaded that man, we had a great time. And then Rainey, after she, she was like I want to play, I want to play. So we were playing golf and then she looks at me and she goes uh, daddy, this is kind of boring and I'm like, hey, it's something.

Mondo: 8:58

That was one. You said it was 1 am. I'm like my course would have been leading her to the fucking bedroom to go to sleep. One o'clock is crazy.

Torrean: 9:06

We were up to like two or three that day and Mondo was like when's the last time you've been up this late? Because I ain't been up this late forever.

Mack: 9:13

Facts, oh, y'all be in the bed early too, oh man, 11 max.

Mondo: 9:20

Yeah, okay, all right. Yeah, I'm on the same thing, yeah, but I thought it was because the kids be burning me out. Mondo, would you be all trying to go to bed all early? For you, a morning riser, super early, or?

Mack: 9:33

what? Yeah, I try to get up at a reasonable time, and when I say reasonable, like six, I used to try to do that 5 am, but I, that's like I can only do those in sprints. Uh, but just staying up late, man, it's like for what? Ain't nothing to do, ain't nothing going on?

Torrean: 9:49

you know what?

Mack: 9:49

I'm saying so, I'm with you, man ain't nothing.

Mondo: 9:53

You stay up late. All you get is touring, uh, touring in your ig inbox sending some wild ass videos.

Torrean: 10:01

Hey, man, I don't know what be coming on your timeline, mac I straight up I do not know what comes up on your timeline, bro, like this shit weird. I don't know if you, if you google, you put in there grandma porn or something or what, but you know, hey, chill hey, yeah, he going crazy because I could tell the shit he we gonna.

Mondo: 10:20

We gonna keep it light that's good, all I'm gonna say is our shit's wild. You know, I'll just leave it there.

Torrean: 10:28

I tried not to. You know Mondo been on his journey so I tried not to get him into into it too heavy. You know what I'm saying. But man Reels is a motherfucker bro, you know which is something I was actually.

Mondo: 10:39

All I gotta tell you is I'm on a journey to not get them wild ass videos but nah, man, so let's just go to it.

Torrean: 10:51

Man, last week was it last week the whole kids camera incident, that was crazy astronomer ceo like what was y'all's first initial reaction, because I think universally it was all the same amongst everybody well, I'm just like he dumb, because if you'd have played it cool, it just would have went away played it cool, no matter who it is. Everybody said why would he? Why would he, why would they do that? But it was. It was the female that acted like that first. Yeah, she's the one that made it awkward. And then he just responded.

Mondo: 11:27

Was she married.

Torrean: 11:29

Yeah, like her husband is some, successful, belongs to some successful family, or something like that. But that was the crazy part about it was she was the one that reacted in a weird way. And then you know, you follow up and you see his reaction. I'm just like I think universally everybody was like why don't y'all just play this shit cool?

Mack: 11:50

yeah, fuck do you, do you think, oh, this is more like universal god, or whatever? Do you actually believe that the truth will always reveal itself?

Torrean: 12:01

no, for sure I believe. Yeah, just like how Mack was just lying. Yeah, for sure.

Mondo: 12:07

Man I didn't think of yeah, but that's fair. What is it about? Because I seen a picture of his wife. I'm gonna keep it a book. His wife looked way better than a chick he was creeping with. What is that Like? Why do men choose to have something good but they will fumble the bag off something? That's just. You know what I'm saying. What is that?

Mack: 12:34

Oh, y'all quiet, I feel like y'all waiting for, like all right Mondo, it's your turn.

Mondo: 12:41

No, I'm looking at T-Torian. I'm just wondering, wondering, what is that? Is it we, you know?

Torrean: 12:47

so we have a witcher go ahead, all right.

Mondo: 12:50

So thinking with your man piece, is that what it is, or you just so?

Torrean: 12:55

I mean that's just like a. I mean there's so many different dynamics to that question. That question is pretty deep. You you've got the how much your mother mermaid effect aspect of things like the person at work looks better over time. And you know there's that aspect of things there's. You know him and his wife could have been split up already. We don't in that way that we don't know their situations. They could have been together for the last year. Now, yeah, there's the, he's the ceo, she's the director of hr, which even makes it even funnier. But then the fact that you know they're resigning and then they're, um, you know, uh, potentially facing, like you know, fines or whatever, like that shit, to me is just the crazy part about it it's like you know now, an affair can cost you your job.

Torrean: 13:52

If it was mutual, like that's, that's nuts and like for the record, I personally would never, ever date another co-worker. Uh, mondo knows my one experience doing that and that just was some. That was crazy. That was when we were like 21, 20. We worked at a job together and yeah, I'll leave that alone.

Mondo: 14:13

But uh, did it get messy? Or you just personally? You just like, no, I don't want to deal with that. No, more.

Torrean: 14:20

I mean, it wasn't really messy, it was just.

Mack: 14:23

The whole situation was weird, bro, I just like I said I'm gonna leave it alone, but the whole situation was just, was just odd hey, mac, I'll tell you, though, that was the first time that I think I was with torian and I saw a chick and I was like, oh yo, she, she kind of bad. You know, when you like ponder, like okay, and then she was on t, like I was like, oh you, you don't even look at me like she went right for t and I was just like, okay, t, t got it. And so, uh, it was it was almost where, where t?

Mack: 14:58

t was just meant to have that bro because uh she. She saw him immediately and was like what's good good, yeah, it happened to Mondo his whole life.

Torrean: 15:05

It was just the first time he recognized me, okay, but yeah, mondo, what's your thoughts, man?

Mack: 15:14

You know, as the yeah, I had to because you're about to just say something wild. I had to think about my journey just in life, because I was like man, have I ever done that with a chick? And then getting somebody worse? Because I was always trying to get the baddest chick in the room. It was kind of always my style, and so if there was a badder chick in the room I was like, okay, let me shoot my shot. That made sense, but just glaringly, she ain't up to standard. I would just say there was just one season and, to your point, when you work in an environment long enough, certain people just become more attractive. But I wasn't necessarily in a relationship at the time either. That was when I was on my super open relationship season, and so it just was when I was on my super open relationship season, and so it just was what it was. But yeah, man, I think it's just Diversity and inclusion.

Mondo: 16:18

Hugged up out in public is crazy, though, bro. Yeah, that's wild.

Mack: 16:22

Actually, when you were telling this story, when you were Mac I don't know if you remember this, bro, this was way back, it might even I think it was before Cadence was even born I was messing with a chick, I was messing with two chicks and we went bowling Mini ha ha, and I'm in there bowling with one chick and this other chick was like yo, I'm outside and I was like that's crazy.

Torrean: 16:48

I remember that, I remember that.

Mack: 16:51

Yo.

Mondo: 16:52

Oh, refresh my memory, man.

Mack: 17:00

I don't know how I finally, I don't know how I was able to spin, move from inside to go outside and then keep the woman outside, outside and not come inside. It was one of them, situations where I'm like, bro, thank you for not blowing this up in my face eventually I'm sure that's. But yeah, that was wild. I could have swore you was there with me.

Mondo: 17:17

But I probably was. But how'd you pull it off though? Was you like yeah, I'm about to get up out of here anyway?

Mack: 17:23

I don't remember, bro, but when I was just listening to you talk about that CEO and just being caught in a moment like that was one of those moments where I was caught, like the person was just like, oh well, I'm here, and I was like, fam, what? First of all? You know, just, you don't just pull up on me, it don't matter, you don't pull up to the crib, you know. You gotta ask like hey, can I come through?

Mondo: 17:45

and they was just there but hold on, how did she know you was there?

Mack: 17:49

I can't remember, bro, so long ago, when I was on some stuff.

Torrean: 17:53

Yeah, I mean, I think I know I've been in that situation, you know, uh, and I just think it just comes down to how you react.

Mondo: 18:02

You know trying to play cool cool right, yeah, try to play it.

Torrean: 18:07

Cool. How you react was was the thing you know. I mean, especially when we was in our young, in our 20s, and we was all doing our things. It was just kind of like all right, well, I could either blow up or I could figure it out. And I think that's probably what mondo was trying to say is like I don't know how I kept her outside. What I said I'll keep her outside, but you know, mondo probably was like oh yeah, they, um, there's an active shooter in here or something.

Mack: 18:33

You know, yeah, you know, her dumb ass was probably like oh, okay, you know like hey man, you just made it sound like I was messing with some idiots, bro, you know, nah, nah, I'm pretty sure I did say something slick, though Like that was back. That was so early in my journey where I was actually still lying at that time.

Torrean: 18:55

Yeah, I'm about to say, oh yeah, you had to tell a good lie that day yeah, but yeah, I got out of that I got out of that season pretty early in my life but do you think this situation should cost them everything like, even if it's in public and everything else? No?

Mack: 19:12

I don't know, let. So Let me ask a question. Do you believe that if he didn't have this type of consequence, would he eventually do it again or do it matter? That made his life leader of a company and expect trust to be the foundation of your company if you out here lying Ain't that how the whole world been operating since forever?

Mondo: 19:46

I mean Bill. Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, I mean that's just the world we live in bro, alright.

Mack: 19:55

Do you feel like I mean, that's just the world we live in, bro, all right? Do you feel like part of your responsibility as a man is to uphold a certain standard for men Like I get, like you, like I got a certain responsibility to my partner or my spouse, right, but do you also like layer on top of that? Like I also like need to show up, to be like yo men ain't all not shit. Is that even part of your?

Mondo: 20:21

process For me personally, yes, 1000%. You know I also got four boys looking up to me and I do value the family structure and there's enough people in our community who don't have the family lifestyle or just who focus on being good men like that. You know I'm saying so. Me personally, yeah, but if I'm, if I'm wealthy and I got everything I ever need I don't know if that's at the forefront of my mind, you know I'm saying. What about you t?

Torrean: 20:49

yeah, I don't think for me money't isn't the factor in it. I think for myself, yeah, I most definitely, you know, especially at my age now feel that responsibility. You know what I'm saying.

Mondo: 21:01

But money also.

Torrean: 21:02

I'm saying I'm saying like in terms of how you treat your woman, like I don't think that should be a factor. Why is that a factor?

Mondo: 21:10

It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be, but is it in reality?

Torrean: 21:15

Is it why is that a fact? It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. But is it in reality? Is it like I said I it wouldn't change me. Like, if I'm gonna be who I am, I'm gonna be a broker, rich, you know.

Mack: 21:23

I'm saying like broker poor max said this is the lion podcast bro no, I'm being dead ass, though, because it's.

Torrean: 21:35

I'm being dead ass man because, like I told, I told monitor story the other day. It's like you know, I'm a ceo of a company and when I go on the streets I'm nobody. So in that meeting room I might be somebody, but when I go on the streets I'm just the same as everybody else, and so I think that's the thing. It's like titles or wealth or whatever.

Mondo: 21:54

This, this nigga ain't daddy. No more, see what I'm saying. I'm a nobody. Come on, man, you got the reason.

Torrean: 22:02

You know I'm okay, I'm fucking daddy in every situation. You know what I'm saying. Nigga, all right come on man they're trying.

Torrean: 22:11

They're trying to twist my words and shit, but anyway, you know, yeah, he had, he had the family, he had everything else, but he was just unfulfilled or bored at work. Like you know, maybe this is somebody that he was like. Oh yeah, like you know, some people don't like to leave the house. Like we got kids, you got all that shit. Like men don't want to hear that bullshit for too long. It's like let's go do something, let's go do something fun if the homie can't go, and eventually maybe he got sick of that shit. So you know you know telling.

Torrean: 22:39

That's how I feel I don't think I don't think money was a factor, though that's what I'm trying to say. It's like there was something in a relationship that he was just like I got enough's enough, and maybe he felt like yo, you know, maybe the power and the ego got to him. I don't know. It sounds like he dated Gwyneth Paltrow, uh, prior to his current wife, so, or he was married to Gwyneth Paltrow prior to his current wife, so he's used to being around like somebody of some status or whatever. You know, he was a, an astronaut, so he had some status for a minute, uh, but I don't know.

Mack: 23:13

I think there's so many different dynamics of a relationship that that end up getting in the way sometimes, you know mac, is there a certain way you talk to your kids because you have all boys about dating young ladies, or do you just model it? Does that make sense, like what you mean by model it like so like you wake up every day and you show up for sadie's a certain kind of way right. So like they see you in action being a good partner. So not only do they see it, but do you also like all right, son, like sit down, like this is how you're supposed to treat a woman, or do you just like just model it the way you do every day?

Mondo: 23:55

okay, I see, I think a little bit of both, but I think that, like I, they're good boys. You know I'm saying like I don't they would never call a girl out their name or anything. Like mac, he's the ultimate gentleman. So, like I, really don't have that many discussions, I think, as long as they have a set foundation of you know what I believe a good man should be or should look like, I think they're pretty good. Um, yeah, they do a pretty good job already.

Torrean: 24:24

Yeah but you, you want them to go out and make their mistakes, though right like you don't want them to just come home, be with one person and then that's it for sa lives. Is that what you, what you want for them, or not?

Mondo: 24:37

I mean they have to have their own experience. But what I recommend also having female friends, 1,000%. Because you know Mac, when he was dating you know he was all about one girl Like he felt like he couldn't have female friends. But then I found out later she kind of didn't like him talking to other girls so she was kind of shutting that off and then that's kind of what caused their little problems. But I tell him all the time like advice from a woman is the most valuable thing you'll probably get in this lifetime. So continue to have female friends and get these, get game from other females, from women, because you know they give you the honest truth over you know the homies most of the time.

Torrean: 25:17

Yeah, actually, I actually agree with that man. I think I mean I have a lot of, you know, female friends mainly just two at this point outside of my relationship, but it's just like I think the one thing I realize is they taught me how to treat who I want to be with, if that makes sense. You hear the fucked up things dudes would do to them. They've always been platonic friendships but you hear the fucked up things dudes did to them or the lies that they told and everything else, and then you see the hurt on their face and it's just like okay, so when I find somebody I really want to be with, I can't do that.

Mack: 26:00

Does that?

Torrean: 26:00

make sense. What's your thing, Mondo?

Mack: 26:06

Well, what was the actual question that we're answering Like?

Torrean: 26:08

do you feel like? You feel the value in female friends more than male friends, or do you think is?

Mack: 26:13

I mean, I feel like at this season, most of my conversations is somebody calling me, asking me for some advice, and so that's male and female. And it's not that I have an issue with that. It's more me than thinking like, what do I have to equip Cadence with that she feels comfortable making these decisions without getting permission from somebody else. And so a lot of females that I have conversations with it's like they're getting permission to go do a thing that they already know that they're supposed to do. And I'm like yo, cadence, I need you to have more resolve, more confidence in yourself to go make that decision independently. Or talking to your mom or dad, or being like all right, god, what's up? Like like, guide me in the right direction.

Mack: 27:05

So, for example, I was having a conversation with a female friend of mine last week and she finally reached this point in her life where she was like one thing that I learned, given like some last drama that she experienced. She was like I need to quit asking all these different people what their perspective is, because they all have different vantage points. They're all telling me slightly different things, and then whatever choice I make, it's not mine, because she's trying to piecemeal given all the different perspectives that she's getting, and so I felt like really proud for her to like reach that moment where she's just like I got to be confident in myself and it just made me feel good that she had reached that intersection. So I don't know if that answered your question, but for me it's just a little different, cause when I was asking Mac initially I was like you're a man, you have boys.

Mack: 28:06

How do you show up for your boys or coach your boys? For me having a daughter, you two having a daughter T, it's a little different. We know what dudes is going to do. We know eventually they're going to lie about something because they're scared or insecure or whatever. And so how do we equip our girls with certain tools to handle dudes when they don't got the balls to to be honest and up front?

Torrean: 28:27

yeah, mac, in your, in your household, is it okay for the boys to cry like, can a man cry? Like? Do you believe in that? Oh yeah, for sure.

Mondo: 28:36

Yeah, okay, yeah, I do. I think that that's a sign of strength, you know, it's not a sign of weakness. That's what I tell them anyway.

Mack: 28:46

Yeah, I still ain't seen Matt cry his whole life, bro. So, man, you know what?

Mondo: 28:51

I hear you saying that the back of my head a lot, right, yeah. So now I'd be more intentional on trying to let it go.

Torrean: 28:59

It was whimpering.

Mondo: 29:04

Hey, bro, be more intentional on trying to let it go because it was whimpering. Hey, we're good chill. But yeah, like now, the older I get, bro, I'm so emotional that I ain't even gonna lie. I'll be watching shit. I'll just let one come down. I know we talked about it yeah, but I don't know, I don't know he was watching love island crying and shit.

Mondo: 29:24

No hell, no hell no, I love island that shit was popping, though anyways hey, y'all be talking about that a lot man man torian put me on, I ain't gonna lie, I was, I was into it, I was happy it was over. It was like 35 episodes. I never watched that many episodes before.

Mack: 29:39

Yeah, but it was it was.

Mondo: 29:40

It was like 35 episodes. I ain't never watched that many episodes of the show before, yeah, but it was cracking though, Mondo you got to check it out, bro.

Mack: 29:46

I don't got 35 episodes a time. Mondo checks it out. All the hype around it made it better.

Torrean: 29:53

Mondo checks it out. He going to go apply for the show and shit you know, Can they bring guests on?

Mack: 30:01

Can I be like hey, I got to bring my podcast crew on to consult.

Torrean: 30:05

That would be dope. I'll be behind the scenes bro.

Mack: 30:08

What's up? You can't be in front of the camera Behind the scenes?

Torrean: 30:12

No, I don't.

Mack: 30:15

You know, there was a time in your life where you were like yo, I'm real world ready.

Torrean: 30:20

Not, no more. I'm always been ready for the tv. You know I'm saying like that's why they call me daddy boy. But what I'm saying to you is this what I'm saying to you is this I'm waiting for it. On a show like that, that's not the environment that I need to be around. That's what I'm trying to get to. Oh okay, not the show I need to be able to?

Mondo: 30:39

oh my goodness, anyway this nigga lying this nigga lying his ass off today. Man, I don't know what's up with t I am not lying like damn I don't believe you are ace for sure, get out of here, fuck man. Come on, dude anyways. Oh, five foot two looking ass nigga man no, he 5'10. Anyways, my bad, I know you don't know, so you have to loop now it's all good.

Mack: 31:10

No, no y'all.

Torrean: 31:10

If y'all gotta go there, go for it no, it's all good, but no the reason I asked that.

Torrean: 31:14

Oh, go ahead, mike no, you good no, the reason I asked the question about, you know, is it okay for the boys to cry? Is I was having a conversation recently and you know, uh, somebody out, somebody we all love, and somebody was like, yeah, man, I'll be telling my boys, you know, men don't cry. And it was just a really heavy conversation and I was just like. I was like like no, I believe they do. I believe that's an old stereotype to kind of hold us men back from achieving what we need to achieve. You know, I think, when we able to get that shit out, like yeah, now we ain't all like Mac, we ain't all crying at the, at the rom-com, at the end of the movie, but but you know, with that being said, sometimes you got real shit, you got to get that shit out and I don't think it's a weakness.

Torrean: 32:05

You know, and that's what I was going to ask you with your boys to kind of piggyback on. Mondo said is like, is there anything that you fear about your future relationship with your boys, right, like when they're out the house? When they're, you're going through mac as a teenager right now, so that's a transition from him being a boy to a young man. But then, once he's out the house. Like you know, there's some people that don't talk to their parents for for months, if not years. Like, is that something that you're is in the back of your head or not really?

Mondo: 32:40

um, not really, but I would be sad if, if I ain't talking to him every day, like all of them, like I think that we're tight, we're tight enough, um, and we have that type of relationship and bond. It's like just calling a joke around. Like you know, we send messages all day, so I would like to think we would still talk every day. But, man, that would hurt my feelings if they didn't hit me up just one day. I just need to know that they're all right. You know I'm saying make sure everything's good, just be that best friend for them. You know, even words of encouragement, like I know mac needs that more than he likes to admit, but you know, I just like to be there for yeah, yeah what you mind, though I think one of the biggest shifts in my life and cadence will say this all the time.

Mack: 33:28

She's just like like your life is dry without me. You know, I'm saying because she bring the humor, and so whenever we together, we cracking up and so to y'all's point, like school being back in session, well, when school's back in session and cadence is gone, yeah, I'm gonna need some laughs. So I'm gonna be hitting y'all up like hey, what's up where y'all at? Because I wouldn't have my road dog anymore to get those lives. So just know, uh, mondo might be around the corner.

Mondo: 33:54

You know I'm saying no, that'd be dope man I got. I got four niggas you can borrow anytime.

Mack: 34:05

And a whole litter.

Torrean: 34:07

And a whole litter behind them.

Mondo: 34:10

What do?

Mack: 34:10

you think about it Outside of Mac me or mess with me. We built a little bond in the gym that one day yeah me or dope, I'll mess with me what?

Torrean: 34:22

about you. T yeah, I mean, like I said, man, it's always something that's in the back of your head. I personally went a couple of years without really talking to my parents for just things that I endured in my childhood, and pain and resentment is real it's like. But then you know, you get older, you live life a little bit, you get out the house, like at 18, you think you know everything and then five years later, like you probably don't even have the conscious awareness, but you realize you didn't know shit. And then you know, being 41, I was like man, I didn't know a damn thing about life at 18.

Torrean: 35:04

Like why was I so resentful towards the people that tried their best? You know. And then you realize you know. So at 23, 22, 23, it was like, okay, let's forgive. Let's like, ultimately, try to forgive. And then now I see, you know, especially in my dad, I see him struggling with things that he may have done in the past and it's like holding him down and it's just like yo, dude, we moved past that a long time ago Like you got to forgive yourself for anything as well, because ultimately you want happiness.

Mack: 35:36

So it's like you see a full circle moment of everything that happens and you realize like at some point you just gotta be able to release any hate, because if you don't release the hate it's still gonna be around you at 60 something plus, you know all right, let's go a little bit deeper on that, then, because to somebody who's listening to this podcast, who might have some resentment for a parent or a guardian and they're like, I understand the definition of the word forgiveness, but it's too hard, or where do I start, or how do I forgive, because I can never forget, like, what type of advice do you give them? What's their first step in the path towards forgiveness?

Torrean: 36:30

Personally for me, I would say figure out how to do it your way. There's not some perfect template that you need to start off with. Figure out how to do it your way. But you really got to be open to it as well. Like you can't say, yep, I forgive you, but then I'm going to go turn around the corner and I'm still mad, like it's one of those things where you got to release it, cause it's like that was a conversation I was having with with, you know, with my loved one. It was like you know, he, he's trying to preach to his boys. You know, with my loved one, it was like you know, he's trying to preach to his boys.

Torrean: 37:01

You got to break this vicious cycle that's going on for our family for generations. You know alcoholism or anger issues or whatever it may be. And it's like, yeah, you got to. You know you got to set that example, but why would you listen? Why would that? You know, it's always easy for people to say, well, why don't you do it Like, point the finger back at somebody and say, well, you're not doing this?

Torrean: 37:26

But it's like, yeah, I'm not, because maybe it might be too far, I'm too far along in it, but you're not yet, and that's why I'm giving you the warning Right. And so the advice would just be you know, figure out how to do it your way, take baby steps at it, but you have to really be open to it, and I think that'll allow you to heal your own trauma as well, because you know, being somebody that was angry my whole life, and now I don't have that anger and I realize, like, how much more free I am to move, move, how many more angles I'm able to see in life that I didn't see before, you know. So then it's like, you know, don't get it, don't get me twisted. You know I'm saying, uh, you know I could still go off, but I'm not trying to be that person, no more. I'm not trying to be that person, no more. You know, hey, that was funny, torian.

Mack: 38:22

Torian is awesome. Man bro, I'm gonna give you all these bars, but don't try me though. Straight up all these bars going out the window. If you tried me, though, oh man.

Mondo: 38:35

But yeah, for me, like that prayer resentment stuff is, is is kind of whack. Right, I felt like, did your parents teach you God? Did you feel loved every day and did you have somebody that you know that fed you, care for you, nurtured you? If they did those three things, and that's all us, as parents, are supposed to do, in my opinion. Right, like it's also up to you to get right with God, because you get right with God, then you, you show empathy and you give yourself a break as well. Like you gotta accept people for who they are. You can't like be mad at somebody because of who they aren't. It's like you know that's kind of that's not right.

Mondo: 39:16

So get right with God first, that's and I know I don't want to be long winded, but you're right with God first so you can show, show that empathy and you can understand it, because we all have our battles, bro, and like, as long as you know that your parent tried their best, like nothing else really needs to be said, especially when you turn 18. It's like you know I love you right? Yes, you know how to pray. You know how to get right. You know how to pray. You know how to get right. You know, spiritually, whatever you got to do. Yes, then you should be able to find your way bro.

Torrean: 39:47

But yeah, I'm sorry, let me. Let me just chime in on what Mac just said, though, because I think it's important to remember the perspective of of the 18 year old, right? So, I know, at 18, I felt like the world was against me. I felt like this heavy burden to get out of my situation. I felt like I had to be the savior. I knew everything, you know. I didn't feel like I was walking around like I know everything, but I felt like I had something to prove, and so that creates this mental internal pressure of yeah, how come my parents don't have what this parent had? You know, you start questioning things like that why, you know, why don't I do that?

Mondo: 40:25

that's internal, though. What does that have to do with your?

Torrean: 40:27

parents. I agree, but that's what I'm saying is, I think it's important for us to take the perspective of the 18 year old as well, like if you were to try to mentor somebody. Like you said get right with god, everything else, but at 18, that 18 year old ain't trying to hear that shit I mean that's how I got by.

Mondo: 40:46

It ain't like I had anything special growing up. So what y'all don't know is like when we was partying, doing all that, like late at night or early in the morning, bro, I'll go in the bathroom and pray, get my mind right, even though y'all didn't know it, you know what I'm saying. So that's how I got by, is it's not? You know? It's not like I had everything I wanted growing up and I was 18 and had to figure out myself. That was my first step. So that's why I say like that's the important thing that's interesting, all right fellas, I'll go ahead no, you got it.

Torrean: 41:19

You're gonna close this out I say who's gonna wrap it up? We're gonna wrap it up today. I gotta be you, gotta be you bro, we me all right, I'm gonna go first app back, I'm gonna go we back. Uh, appreciate y'all listening again. We're gonna really gonna be consistent this time, uh. But that being said, man, those that are out there that are, you know, uh, I feel like this is like changing season, like school's about to start back. You know, kids graduated from high school, going to college or whatever, no matter what your situation is, you know, just know, we're here for you. We're here for you. We're going to bring that high. Honest conversation For me, you always an honest conversation for me. These two, these two, I don't know.

Mondo: 42:01

You always need an honest conversation for me, cap, these two, these two. I don't know you was acting up today.

Torrean: 42:06

What'd I lie about? What'd I lie about man? Man it ain't.

Mondo: 42:11

Talking about money don't matter when you're dealing with these women, that's.

Torrean: 42:14

Cap. You don't, because I'm settled in, man, I'm not. I don't have a single man mentality. You know what? I'm don't because I'm settled in, man, I'm not. I'm not. I don't have a single man mentality. You know, I'm saying like I don't have that man wrap it up anyway, he's still um. What are you?

Mondo: 42:36

talking about bruh anyway.

Mack: 42:37

So yeah, with that being said, god, thank you for cooking don't be coming if I got 50 M's in the bag am I lying?

Mondo: 42:45

am I lying?

Torrean: 42:46

I don't want to hear shit, wrap it up alright. I don't want to hear shit.

Mondo: 42:54

I woke up this morning. Get some understanding around this bitch.

Torrean: 43:01

I woke up this morning on Facebook and this dude was like yeah, look at, my wife got the perfect license plate and it said NAG365. Dang so NAG365. She's like, you got the perfect license plate.

Mack: 43:17

That shit was hilarious.

Torrean: 43:19

Dang, anyway, but yeah, yeah, nah straight up though, man, you know, let's heal each other. Uh, please tune in for another episode of the they call me daddy appearance podcast. Uh, for mac and for mondo, my name is torian, aka daddy. We out of here.