No Lie

In this episode of They Call Me Daddy, Torrean, Mack, and Mondo dive deep into life, loyalty, and betrayal. From personal growth journeys and workout streaks to starting new foundations and navigating tough seasons, the fellas keep it raw and real. They touch on leaked phone calls, Young Thug’s trial, and Shannon Sharpe vs. Ray Lewis—asking the bigger questions: What do we really owe each other as friends? What does betrayal look like in family, friendships, and relationships? And how do we bounce back when trust gets broken?

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Torrean: 0:01

Yo, yo, yo, what's good y'all? Welcome to another episode of the they Call Me Daddy Appearance Podcast. We got my co-host, mac Inmando. My name is Torrean, aka Daddy. What's going on? Fellas, how y'all doing.

Mack: 0:15

What's going on y'all? Another episode means another good day.

Mondo: 0:20

Beautiful Tuesday, let's get it.

Mack: 0:23

Yes sir, yes sir.

Torrean: 0:25

So what's been up, man? What's new in the week? How y'all been. Let's check in with each other, mac.

Mack: 0:32

I ain't got too much. Yeah, I really ain't got much right now, bro, I ain't gonna lie to you. I think the boys getting back to school is giving me a little bit of time to reflect and just get my mind and thoughts together. You know, sometimes I just be all over the place sometimes. So I think it's good to have this little break at his man's time early, start my day off right. But I don't know, man, I'm all over the place, low key.

Torrean: 1:03

OK, I got you about you, mondo how you been nah, I'm actually feeling really energized.

Mondo: 1:11

I feel like I have clarity on just direction, on what I'm supposed to do next or where I'm supposed to go next or the words that I'm supposed to say out loud next, and it just feels real fulfilling, honestly, kind of being in limbo or wandering in the wilderness for the last three years on that God guided journey, but now feeling like God's like oh, you reached the door, go in it, and so, man it just it really feels good. So I'm on point today, bro, that's what's up?

Torrean: 1:46

I've seen you been dropping some, some content. Mondo, can you, can you kind of?

Mondo: 1:58

tell people what it's about and kind of you know what your, what your initiative is. Yeah for sure man Kind of. The backstory which I feel like is important is like I was always that huge big dreamer Let me build a huge company in tech, sell it for billions of dollars and then be able to reinvest it back in other humans. And when God pulled me away from that a few years back, I was like, oh, this is interesting, you're putting me on a different course, and I feel like I wandered for those three years just to get put in a seat where I'm actually going to be able to invest in others, just in a different way. So I ended up launching pre-launching this foundation called Second Seat, called Second Seat and like the Second Seat Foundation, the whole premise is funding the salaries of second in commands for youth led organizations.

Mondo: 2:54

So for those of you who are like, yeah, what's the second in command, if you think about Tony Stark and him building Stark Industries, his second in command is Pepper Potts, and so there is always like this dope human in the front in that one seat, that like a super creative or a wild influencer or they're just a beast at what they do and they build relationships and they have a vision, but that person needs a second to be able to scale whatever it is that they're doing, and I feel like in many communities, especially communities that are serving young folks, they don't have the right second in command or the right human sitting in the second seat, and so we want to do our best to essentially fund or sponsor part of the salary of humans sitting in that second seat. So just getting things out the door about to go through this fundraising sprint and, yeah, man, just impacting community from the second seat.

Torrean: 3:53

So that's dope. That's dope, so how can people find out more about it?

Mondo: 3:58

Yeah, they can just go to secondseatorg. And yeah man lean in in seatorg and uh, yeah man lean in holler at me on linkedin plug me with some humans who you know you feel like got a bag and they want to impact community so no, that's what's up.

Torrean: 4:16

Yeah, I've always, you know, linkedin's been good, do you mind? Though you know, uh, I'll be plugging, you know I'm saying. But anyway, yeah, you know, plug mondo with a couple.

Torrean: 4:30

But uh now that's what's up. Man. Now life for me has been good. It's been a going through a little transition season right now. Uh got a lot of heavy shit going on, but uh, you know, getting clarity day by day and I feels good. So life's been good, Rainy's good. You know I'm not liking the weather in Minnesota. You know it's getting a little cool too early for me, but you know it is what it is. It's always kind of nice to get out and walk early in the morning too.

Mack: 5:03

So so, Matt, yeah it's always so when you I don't mean to cut you off, but when you guys reach a low moment or things aren't going as planned, what are some of the things y'all do to get back on track or to keep your mind good.

Torrean: 5:22

I was someone with anger, a lot of anger issues, growing up. I'm always just mad at the, you know, mad at the world, a lot of pent up things, and what I found is talking things through, saying it out loud, talking to people I can confide in, like y'all too, or you know um other other close people to me, other other close people to me, and so that just kind of helps me release things and kind of figure out okay, this is how, you know, allows me to process things Right, like when I was younger, I like to punch shit. You know, punch shit or punch people, punch walls, you know, throw, throw chairs or whatever it was, and uh, but now it's like that's not even you know, that would be like, out of 100 things that'd be at the bottom, at the bottom five, you know. And so, and that's because I've always consistently worked on myself to get better, try to filter, you know, be in tune with myself and, um, figure out, like what I actually need to be able to overcome stress or you know, things that were, you know, possibly bothering me at that time. So that's what I do, man, and then you know, you know Mondo and my friend John Bernstein, like you know they had this movement streak, and so I'm on like a almost a five month everyday workout movement streak and now I've started to add in the.

Torrean: 6:46

I took a baby step approach so I started adding you know, work, focus on my most problematic thing, which is I work from home so I don't move them enough. So I started with that and then now I'm adding the nutrition part of it in, and so now what I found is I have really good high energy right now, um, and I'm on a almost a five month workout streak, which feels really good. And so like I'm, I'm slowly, uh, I'm taking baby steps to this man Cause it's like everybody wants to sprint to the finish, but like I'm going after a um, I'm going after a life change. You know what I'm saying. So in order to do that, like what's the point of sprinting there, I could take baby steps, get, get the discipline down and then really be stubborn and like I'm not giving up my damn streak, I don't care what's going on, I'm not giving up my, my workout streak.

Torrean: 7:40

You know, if it's raining outside, if I got to go walk in the rain, cool, now check in on me when it's like 40 below, like I don't know what I'm gonna do in the winter time. I'm like I'm gonna go to the mall and walk and all this stuff, but I don't even like to go outside. So, yeah, for sure, check in on me, but that's, that's kind of my regimen. Uh, what you got, man one man.

Mondo: 8:03

I just want to applaud you on that streak. I mean, you're definitely on your undertaker wrestlemania streak and you ain't gonna lose to brock lesnar. So like, shout out to you, man, because that lifestyle change when you make a decision and commit to it, yo like that's a big undertaking because, like things happen, they'll be trying to take you off your path and you're like, no, I, I'm staying consistent. And so anybody that is stepping into any type of different lifestyle change, yo like we want to be your biggest supporters. Like, keep going, right. Whatever it is that you're doing, keep going, definitely, don't stop. Today you listened to this podcast today for us to say keep going. So keep going. Um, so I guess, to answer your question, mac, when I think about lifestyle changes, I mean the old version of myself.

Mondo: 8:53

You know, when things were stressful, honestly, like I'm pouring me a glass of whiskey, right. Like like there were two things that I would lean on when things were frustrating. One, I would always have my whiteboard, right. Like I always want to think tank something, but whenever I'm think tanking that thing, I had to have a glass of whiskey with me. Whoever else was in the room if they wanted to drink too, like let's do it. And it was just it just felt good to just sip on something and vibe and try to figure out what the next step was. So that was definitely a vice. And then my other vice, honestly, was women, and so, like when things were super stressful, I was always like man, I need to remove myself and like go cuddle up with somebody. Sometimes it was Go get some cheeks.

Mondo: 9:44

I was hoping there wasn't no ike turner type shit man so, yeah, no, no, no, okay, okay, far from ike, uh, but you know like sometimes that was a healthy habit, right, and then sometimes it wasn't. And so when you talk about lifestyle change is, one of the biggest things I had to do was surrender both of those vices and similar to Torrean right, like I'm an avid walker, right. So like the past three years, I would walk somewhere between five and eight miles a day and it just definitely helped me clear my head, shed a whole bunch of weight doing it, and it just definitely helped me clear my head, shed a whole bunch of weight doing it. But yeah, now I have healthier habits, man, and even as cliche as it sounds like, how is this happening for you, as opposed to happening to you?

Mondo: 10:35

I really did train my brain in a way that it doesn't matter what the situation is. I am going to look at myself and be like all right, god, you made me pause. Where do you want me to pivot? Or who do you want me to talk to in this season? Or just what lesson do you want me to get from this challenging moment so that I'm a good voice or a wise voice for somebody else two months from now? That's also going through the same situation. So, honestly, man, now it's just living each moment, trying to learn the lesson that God's given me so I can be a steward moving forward.

Mack: 11:12

That's what's up. Yeah, I appreciate that, though I think, listening to y'all, it's like, oh, I haven't been working out as much as I should, so that's kind of why, like you know, I told y'all before, like that's my therapy, that's my that's how I get my mind clear.

Mondo: 11:33

So I probably need to get back on that.

Mack: 11:35

So I appreciate y'all no doubt. Do either one of y'all stretch. Hey, listen, I need to. I'll be on the boys about stretching, but I don't stretch. They say you're supposed to take a big stretch when you first wake up in the morning, like even while you're in the bed, do your first big stretch of the day. But I don't even do that, to be honest man I've been trying to stretch it is.

Mondo: 11:54

It's like yo, you can stretch anywhere. You can be watching tv, you're reading a book, you can be chilling, but for some reason being like all right, let me get on this floor and stretch, it just seems like defer this thing from what you want to do. And when I be trying to do that, bro, I'll be like man, this is hard work man, it seems like the older you get a lot of stuff.

Mack: 12:13

Get hard like bro. You did jumping jacks recently. When you a kid, you like, oh, this ain't nothing, but now I'll be like, oh, give me a minute, okay, yeah that's what I'm trying to get on my ddp yoga game, man, because I want to be.

Torrean: 12:24

This ain't nothing. But now I'll be like, ooh, give me a minute, okay, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get out of my DDP yoga game, man, because I want to be flexible. I don't like being all tight and shit. You know what I mean. And then also to your point, though I know my dad went to the stretch lab. I don't know if you ever heard of those, mondo. Yeah, I did, yeah. So he went to that. He said it was amazing. But I'm not paying like $85 or something for somebody to stretch me out, man, like that's just.

Mondo: 12:50

No, I feel that.

Mack: 12:51

Stretch lab I never heard of it.

Torrean: 12:54

Yeah, you should go there, man. They turn you into a pretzel, I'm good.

Mack: 12:58

No, I'm good, I work, I work, I work on this they have you rocking back and forth this shit.

Torrean: 13:07

You know what I'm saying I'm good.

Mack: 13:09

I know I did do a few yoga sessions and stuff. It was dope, it was hard, but it's dope though you did it in a group setting no, it was just uh, me and sadie's went, so shout out to malik and his wife uh, natalia, I think that's her name, natalie, something. Uh, they own the hot works right here in, uh, in st paul, so we went and checked it out. It was super dope that's pretty much do yoga in a little heated, heated uh room.

Torrean: 13:35

Yeah, it was dope yeah, he was doing some commerce suture in that motherfucker huh man chill, here he go.

Mondo: 13:45

The podcast just started, okay.

Torrean: 13:48

You know, I didn't know where Mack was going with it. You know what I mean, so I should give a visual to the listeners, you know.

Mack: 13:55

No, but I do remember Mondo used to rock that sweatsuit. You remember those days Mondo. Yeah, she used to get torn in one for the wintertime I don't know Facts you remember those days?

Torrean: 14:06

yeah, yeah, get touring you one for the winter time.

Mondo: 14:07

I don't know facts. A sweatsuit? I don't remember that. Oh man, all that, that water weight to start coming off you bro.

Torrean: 14:12

Yeah, that's wild yeah, yeah, I'm not at all, but um, so, yeah, recently in the news, um, we're talking about mac. You know how you were talking about. Like, how do you decompress stress, right, I mentioned talking, talking it out and everything else. Um, you know, I talked to y'all on the phone all the time, talked to other people on the phone all the time. Imagine those phone calls getting leaked.

Torrean: 14:39

So we see in the, we see recently that young thug had his jail. He was locked up on a RICO trial which he beat in a RICO case and he beat it. But we see that his jail phone calls got leaked. And now people are feeling some type of way because he may have mentioned somebody in a private phone call and said something out of frustration. Like, for example, he said well, rilla was ugly, right, and she's like oh, it's the same nigga that's in my DMs, yadda, yadda, yadda. He was like man that was just me talking from jail. I was frustrated, whatever. So my question is how would you feel if your private conversations got leaked? But also, would you feel like it's betrayal if you heard somebody's private conversations and you came up in them?

Mack: 15:33

I mean one. I think it's whack that whoever is leaking these phone calls, that's weak, because you're in a low frequency. When you're locked up, man Ain't nobody really in there with the best of moods saying the most positive things, so that's whack. But would I feel betrayal? Yes, because I know some of the people that he mentioned, you know, gave him money while he was locked up. They gave him money after he got out. So it's like if you're saying in a private, like, is that really how he truly feels about me, or does he just say cool things because I'm giving him money? So of course I would feel betrayed. If somebody was talking negative and it came out and I heard it for sure do you?

Torrean: 16:17

uh, are you, do you hold grudges, like, would you? No, I don't hold grudges, you don't hold grudges, so you would just forgive or like what? Like what would your relationship going forward in that case be? Let's say, it was me and I was talking all this shit just about you and shit. This nigga ain't got no neck Cock-eyed it. All this stuff I'm going in on you. You know what I'm saying. Yeah yeah, when you breathe it's like Jakaris and shit, everything right.

Mack: 16:46

It would be how it's always been. If it was you, I'd just whoop your ass like I always did. But no, no, I do. I forgive, though, but I'm not going to lie Like I'll step back a little bit though, like I ain't going to be. It would change things, but I wouldn't cut you off or you know, hold no grudge against you. It would just be I'm a little cool on you right now until I'm completely over it, but I wouldn't feel obligated to say messed up stuff about you, to get back at you Like. I ain't that type of person.

Torrean: 17:16

Yeah, mondo. What about you, man? You vindictive.

Mondo: 17:20

No, again, not anymore. I mean, I used to be the type of cat that if you cross me, I cut you off and it's bye, bye. Right, like I never have to see or hear from you again. You're not top. Think we're pushed to grow.

Mondo: 18:03

No-transcript, right, it's like you know somebody close to you is going through some tough stuff, right. Using Torrean example, right, let's just say Torrean's going through something tough and he's talking negative about me. Well, like I know, it's because Torrean is super frustrated that, like, certain emotions is coming out. And because me and Torrean have such a close relationship and we've talked about the most stuff, he has a lot of ammo, right, like he can have a lot of opinions on things because we've had those deep conversations and so he could be going through a season where, like, his frustration is pushing him to say things out loud that he normally wouldn't say.

Mondo: 18:45

Now, it's my responsibility to be like man. Torrean went through this tough time for three months, but like he's been a rider with me, right, like best cousin out here since the beginning. So am I going to throw away 40 years of relationship because he had a rough three months? I think it's my responsibility to be like nah, I'm supposed to forgive him, but not on some. Let me forget about it, right, and not approach it and not have a conversation like yo. Let's have a real conversation Like, hey, bro, like you said some things that actually hurt my feelings.

Mondo: 19:20

If Torrean is in like so right, like, like that's a different conversation, but if he's like man, you know what, bro, I apologize. Like that was a tough season. I feel like I'm supposed to forgive him and I feel like I feel like the humans that do find a way to forgive. Those are the humans that hit the next level of life. Right, I feel like everybody experiences a season of something that they would consider betrayal, but do you have the the peace to forgive that person or do you hold on to it? Do you hold on to that resentment forever? And I think if you do, like that manifest into something even nastier inside of yourself, so duty is dope, that's dope, mondo.

Torrean: 20:01

You know, my thought process is like you know, first'd probably be like, well, fuck that, nigga XYZ. I feel some type of way about it. But at the same time, to your point, man, you don't know what somebody's going through mentally, and I think that's what comes with age and wisdom. When we were younger man, I could hold a grudge like no other because it was just inside of me. But then it's like, as you get older, you realize, like man, I'm what. I'm, the one that's wasting energy, like why am I wasting my?

Torrean: 20:27

energy, given all this anger to somebody else, and so it's just like, hey, we got to move on, move forward. But there's a lot of people that are vindictive Like. There's people that out there, like this person did, me is, or whoever Right, like, and that's just some wild shit. But I also think too, it's like you know, as I get older, I'm trying to focus more on me and not other people Right and take accountability and say what I could do better or what I could do wrong. You know, I always have this like this, like Mondo said, like kind of this happened to me and everything else.

Torrean: 21:08

And I read this book and the book was like nobody is against you or anything like that. You are your worst enemy in those cases when you start to think like that. So it's like to maybe not even be in that mindset in general, but also he probably in his, his feelings, he probably don't feel like he needed to be in jail, which he didn't right, he didn't need to be there. And then it's like, oh well, he's just gonna say what he's gonna say, because he got nothing but time to think about shit like if you know, thankfully none of us have been locked up like that, but it's like man. I can only imagine like shit. If all you had was time to think about shit, man, everybody would be your enemy at the end of the damn day, everybody be your enemy or everybody be your.

Torrean: 21:50

You know your best friend, one of the two, like you know, uh, because your mind plays tricks on you.

Mondo: 21:56

So so I got a question. So I don't know enough about this rico case charge, like I know absolutely zero about it. To be honest, based on your guys' perspective, was he spending time with humans or in an environment that it was quite clear he probably shouldn't have been in, leading up to him falling into that trouble? Or was it a straight setup? Does that question make sense? Because I feel like there are a lot of situations where it's like, fam, you done got the signs right.

Mondo: 22:28

We talked about this last episode about the kid who, like, wrote all the stuff on the ammo right. It's just like there's plenty of signs ahead of the consequence. There's plenty of moments that are presented to you like, man, I need to pivot or I need to remove myself or I need to separate myself from this person, and if they choose not to do that, are they setting themselves up for failure? So I don't know if, like, y'all know enough about his situation to give a response to this, or if you can just reflect on your own life of like, yeah, man, I knew I was hanging out with this person and I probably should have moved around, and I did or I didn't, and here was a consequence. Because of whichever way you chose.

Mack: 23:08

Yeah. So from what I know, of course there was signs and he was just I'm just going to keep it blunt Like he's just stupid. Like how many of these rappers do we know make millions of dollars but they still feel so obligated to be on some street shit or to you know what I'm saying Just make terrible decisions, you know. And I think that once he got money I mean we from the hood, like a lot of people, we never seen money like this and when you get money, there comes power and then you're like, oh, they can't touch me. So, oh, he said this All right, go shoot him or go do something to his family. So he's calling shots, type thing. So of course there were signs. But you know, we got I don't know what to do.

Mack: 23:50

Like we talked about the movie, uh, highest to lowest, like the rapper in there, yeah, I don't know. You know it's kind of same thing sort of say, um, because I know that young thug he idolized lil wayne, lil wayne ain't give him the reaction he wanted, so he had his lil wayne's tour bus shot up. So there's things like that. Like you got to remove yourself, man. Like god bless you with all this money, get your family out the hood and just you gotta, you gotta change your thought process. But some people can't let the streets go, so I think that was kind of part of it so do you feel like, oh, go ahead, go ahead T, no, you're good.

Mondo: 24:26

So, like, when I think about stuff like that, right, and this is like how I had to chose to look at my life Like yo, if I'm in some stuff, like some ish, I'm reflecting like man. Did I make a choice a while back that put me in this ish? Right, right. And so if it's, if it's mainstream knowledge that he had Lil Wayne's bus shot up I don't know if he got in trouble for that or not, but if he didn't, is this then just a consequence that just finally caught?

Mondo: 25:00

up with him in a sense, right, and so like. So, like yo, I feel like we we do things thinking that it's not going to catch up, but then it does, and so then can we really be mad about his friends leaking some words that he said, right? Or is that just like yo, bro, like all that stuff was just going to come back on you no matter what? So who can you really be mad at?

Mack: 25:26

Yeah, no, I do think it's karma. Go ahead, Tia.

Torrean: 25:30

I think the whole thing is just a setup, man, me too. I mean, if you look more into it, man, the Fulton County just has it out for him, like that's just to keep it a buck, like I mean a lot of the chart like, yeah, was he still? Was he associated with people that was doing shit? Yeah, but a lot of people, just Fulton County just had it out for him. But, on a side note, it's like, man, I had, you know, been in situations in the past where I have friends that weren't necessarily doing things. I was online with, you know, and it's like man, I love them but I got to distance myself from them for that reason, because I'm not going to be in a situation where I'm getting looked at for doing something I didn't do, you know. So I think that's you know, everybody got to make that decision Either you're going to be there, you're going to be involved in it, you're going to do whatever, or you're going to be, you're going to distance yourself. And I think I learned that lesson really, mondo, like us navigating teenage life together, and that's like you know, we had a cousin. He went down a different path, right, and it was more so me and you. But then, like I remember coming over and you know folks will pop up and everything else and your pops is seeing the way he looked at it, like what y'all doing with these dudes? I don't, y'all just need each other type shit, and it's like going through all that.

Torrean: 27:00

You realize, like man, I just need to be with people. That's aligned with me. You know it ain't like. You know, uh, have I done some shit that's been immoral? Yeah, have I. You know I, you know I'm not trying to. You know I'll be out here and be like you know have some might twist my shit up and like, yeah, we're going to get a, you know whatever. But it's like I guess my point is is I'm not a saint, I've never been a saint, but I ain't never did nothing fucking criminally to be like that. And if I was ever surrounded by stuff like that, I just remove myself from the situation, you know.

Mondo: 27:36

So let's, okay, let's let's infuse another mainstream thing that we were talking about a little bit too before we came on this pod, which is Shannon sharp and Ray Lewis. Right, cause you talk about distancing yourself, and so, like, ray Lewis was on a podcast and he was talking about how the Shannon that he knew in the league showed up a certain kind of way. Let's just say that was extremely righteous and it sounded to me like they had a pretty close friendship because of the paths that they were both on, close friendship because of the paths that they were both on. Now, for context, right, ray Lewis then made his own mistake, or mistakes that like put him on the edge of his life looking a lot different too. But now Ray Lewis is just like hey, shannon Sharp is making some choices right now with his words on his podcast. He's talking about things that I never expected him to talk about.

Mondo: 28:39

I, ray Lewis, I had to move around, I had to separate myself from his path, because some people are like, oh, yeah, yeah, you spot on right. Like that ain't your lane, like, move around. Some people are like yo, bro, how you throwing a shot at him right now Because he's making bread, he's doing things. He's being authentic, right, and so there's like a fine line in opinions right now.

Mack: 29:09

So where do you guys stand on that? Me personally, I think it's whack. I think it's whack just because you could say he could have said it in a different way. He could have been like yo, shannon's doing his thing. I don't agree with everything he's doing, but that's my brother. That's more the route I respect because, at the end of the day, that is your brother and Shannon Sharp. He's had a rough what six months, close to a year, like he's been going through it. I don't believe in kicking a man while he's down, especially if he's supposed to be your brother. Y'all been through all that together. Uh, I don't like it, bro. If I'm being completely honest, do I disagree with what he said? No, but the way he went about it, I think, is what? Because I I don't think I could ever go on a podcast and say something like that about either of y'all. You know I'm saying like that just wouldn't sit right with my spirit and my like.

Torrean: 29:57

I couldn't do it yeah, I mean I think I agree, like, um, I don't know man, I don't know if I agree or not, because I mean I think it's okay to call somebody on their shit, you know the same time, yeah, but tell me though.

Mack: 30:15

We brothers, you can talk to me.

Torrean: 30:16

I agree with that. You need to call him directly. If you're doing it for clicks, I don't like that shit at all.

Mack: 30:21

But do you feel like that was a little bit of Ray Lewis's intentions? I do.

Mondo: 30:27

Oh, I don't at all. If you don't talk about Shannon Sharp do you know about that interview at all? I don't, but I can't remember. I would have to watch it again, did he? Bring up Shannon or did the host bring up Shannon?

Mack: 30:43

Either way, he could have shut it down.

Mondo: 30:47

So, like we talk about, you know, he could have called Shannon and had a conversation with him. Yo, he could have called Shannon and had a conversation with him, doesn't you know? Hindsight is 20, 20. Didn't a bunch of people try to tell Shannon like yo, bro, you need to make some choices and some changes? And he chose not to receive those words. So Ray Lewis is like hey, fam, like I'm gonna move around because I see where this is going to end up. Is he not 100 percent right in his perspective?

Torrean: 31:17

Go ahead man Go ahead, T Go ahead.

Mack: 31:21

I mean I don't know if he tried to talk to Shannon Sharp or not. That's something we don't know. From his perspective he was right. A few people say Shannon Sharp switched up when the fame came. He didn't smoke, he did a Black and Miles a Hennessy. It's just stereotype stuff. Some people do say that, but if that's your brother you can't air him out like that. I don't think.

Torrean: 31:49

I think, too, what often gets mixed up is the entertainment factor versus how I really am. Factor. Right, like we're on a podcast, our job is to entertain. So Shannon is on TV, his job, his job is to entertain. Now would he at home at the crib? Would he put a goat mask on? No, but if you're doing that shit to be funny or whatever to you know, enhance his own career, I ain't got no problem with that shit. So I think that's sometimes what people get mixed up is like who you really are versus whatever. But that's what brings me to the next question, right? Is we? We grew up hearing, or you always hear, I don't owe you shit Like what do you owe to a person? So, mac, I don't know what your oldest friendship is, but what do you owe to that person? Truth.

Mack: 32:44

Honesty and loyalty. Yeah, honesty and loyalty, that's it Cool.

Torrean: 32:48

So let's say they switched up somehow, or you didn't like the way they was moving or whatever. Let's say you tell them, but then they ain't listening or whatever. Or maybe they might utter your, your name or whatever. How much do you owe to them?

Mack: 33:04

Oh, we talked about it earlier. Bro, like, just cause we're on, not on the best of turn, bro, like we still got history together and there's still a code. Like I stick firm to the, to the, the bro code. Like, bro, I could never like if mondo you know I'm saying a year or two from now goes on a show, make it big. And then he's like, oh, let me get this black and mild. Like I'm gonna be like damn, like dang the mondo, I know, let me hit him up and check on him. I'm not gonna go on the thing like man mondo switching up for the money, like he ain't who he used to be.

Torrean: 33:39

Like that, don't. Even that sounds crazy, okay, so let's, let me. Let me throw it. I'm going to, I'm going to have some fun with this now, so let me throw out this situation, let's say Mondo's on a pod, right?

Torrean: 33:48

You know, Mondo blew up. As you all can tell, mondo speaks a lot more articulate than we do, so he might be a famous speaker one day, we don't know. Hopefully we all blow up. Anyway, with that being said, mondo blows up and they bring up this podcast and Mondo was like, oh yeah, that was low hanging fruit. Mondo was like, oh yeah, that was was during dark times. That was a low moment in my life, right, like damn, we gonna me and you gonna feel some type of way about that. So I'm not saying Mondo would do that, but let's just say that happened, mac. You know, let's say with me and you still doing a pod and it ain't blew up yet, right? Or you know, somebody might ask you a question. How are you going to respond?

Mondo: 34:39

I'm not going to bash him.

Mack: 34:40

Oh, go ahead, I'm not going to bash him, I'm going to send a text message like man. You know, you had us messed up, right, bruh.

Torrean: 34:49

You going to use the word messed up, nah.

Mack: 34:52

Nah, we trying not to cuss on here. I thought but yeah, that's that's the text, that's the, that's the direct hit. Like I'm gonna hit him up, bro, like talking negative about him ain't gonna do nothing, but just have us both looking crazy at the end of the day, bro?

Torrean: 35:09

no for sure. So, mando, how you feel about that, though? Like, do you owe people shit, or is it just like they're going to do them? And you know, if I'm not aligned with it, you know I'm just going to write them off, you know?

Mondo: 35:21

whatever so, I'm not just going to write somebody off anymore, even though I used to. But if I move around and I'm not in proximity to that person anymore and somebody says, why aren't you in proximity to them anymore? And I'm like because they still smashing young chicks and they drinking and smoking and I don't want to be around, that Like my preference is my preference.

Torrean: 35:51

So like you got to go talk into that much detail, though.

Mack: 35:55

Just be like oh no, we on two different lanes right now. Like you gotta go into specifics. Like man, he fucking these young girls and he drinking and smoking.

Mondo: 36:05

Like I don't think you gotta do all that, see, and I do, because some other young person right, so it might not be somebody else's responsibility. But some other young person right, so it might not be somebody else's responsibility, but some other young person is like yo, I want to Shannon's, what 55? Or something.

Mack: 36:24

He up there.

Mondo: 36:25

Right. So Shannon, 55, smashing somebody who's in their early twenties. So some young person is like yo, I want to go to the league, I want to do all this stuff, and when I'm in my fifties I want to go do what Shannon's doing. And it's just like yo, that could be your plan. But somebody I still feel like have to offer an alternative path to that plan.

Mondo: 36:50

And so for me I'm like no, I'm not going to be around that, or I stopped being in a close relationship with Shannon, because being mid fifties and drinking and smashing young chicks is going to lead to a disaster. Like saying that out loud for another young person to be like man, you might be right. Like creating planting that seed that, like Shannon's path, might lead to destruction. I feel like it's part of my responsibility not me necessarily, but it's part of the responsibility of certain humans in the story birthday and I ain't drinking, I'm just there to support y'all Right. Or like if we, if we in Vegas doing something, you just like, hey, we about to turn up all night. I'm like, hey, fam, it's one 30 in the morning, y'all can stay out till five, but I'm about to go to bed and so I just feel like man, some people have discernment on when they're supposed to move around, and that's a certain type of discernment that I feel like is influenced differently.

Mondo: 38:00

If you chugging whiskey all night, right, like you know what I'm saying, like yo, when I used to be stressed by that third drink, I'm probably sending some texts I shouldn't have sent. You know what I'm saying. And so if I'm hanging with somebody like Shannon by his third drink, I'm probably sending some texts I shouldn't have sent. You know what I'm saying. And so if I'm hanging with somebody like Shannon by his third drink, he's hitting up some folks to come to the crib, right, and I'm like, oh bro, I just came over here to whiteboard Right now, we got everybody at the crib, and so. So, like, the only way that I can keep myself out of those situations is to move around, and I feel like it has to be OK for somebody to move around and say why they're moving around. So what about? What about? You Go ahead?

Torrean: 38:45

I might ask a different perspective though, because, let's say, throughout everything Shane's doing smashing the young chicks black and white, whatever, and smashing the young chicks black and mild, whatever it's like you betrayed me in that conversation by saying, by calling me out because I didn't do those things to you, I didn't do them to your family, I didn't have my own personal time, I'm a grown ass man. Is your answer still the same, mondo? Like, hey, man, I just had to call you out because I didn't like the way you was moving. Is that what it is, or?

Mondo: 39:15

No, my response is where was the lie? Facts, bro, like where was the lie? Oh, you betrayed me bro. Where was the lie?

Mack: 39:33

There is no lie, but there's a code. Where was the lie? There is no lie, but there's a code. That's like alright. So if you see your homeboy you got a homeboy who's married and you know he tells you like hey, I'm about to go out with this other chick, and his wife calls you Like hey, do you know where so-and-so's at, there's a code right?

Mondo: 39:56

Don't get me on this soapbox, bro. Oh Lord no no, I'm going to respond. I'm going to respond because this is this type of situation again. This is where you got to be preventative, Torrean. How many conversations do you remember me one-on-one having with Ricky Zero? Like, I don't talk to dudes, girls, I don't even almost make them think I'm the person that you can call when this happens.

Mack: 40:29

But he said would you?

Mondo: 40:32

No, no, no, no, no, they know, Don't even call, or they call, I ain't answering so you ain't tyrone right I don't, I don't even know, who tyrone is call tyrone don't call on my hey, because, because, like, like, high school, high school college.

Mondo: 40:51

High school college, right, when it's like, yo, you and your homeboy dating a chick and her friend, and y'all all cool and kicking it and y'all all friends and y'all all texting each other and having a good time, well, it's high school college. So eventually, when my boys right, they're gonna do something they ain't supposed to do, myself included Right, when that happens, the other friend is going to be like, well, you my friend too, right, like I supposed to be to ask you questions. And then eventually they're going to be like well, tell me the truth. Did he go to a girl's house? Right now, I got it. Now I got to choose, like, who my relationship is stronger with. Now I got to make some choices. And so now, as a grown person, I'm like I don't even want no friendships with no dudes. Girls, y'all can't call me. Hey, if you're gonna send me a text, make it a group chat, like we ain't doing none of that off the books conversation, and so, yeah, man, I do my best to stay out of that, bro. So you just ain't answering.

Mondo: 41:51

If she call, I ain't answering I'm with you, I ain't answering but, then next week or two days later, she can't run into me and be like mondo, why you didn't answer my call? Why you called me? Right you don't never call me? You don't even have the authority to call me and expect me to answer, because we don't talk like that, right you?

Mack: 42:13

you know I don't talk to you without Torrean, so like don't be calling me and I take that same thing when it comes to somebody from the outside asking me about my relationship with one of my brothers. Same thing for me. That's fair, yeah that's fair yeah.

Torrean: 42:34

Yeah, that's fair, yeah, that's hilarious. So I guess the answer is the question is you owe them what? You owe them something? You owe them loyalty and respect. That's what you said Mac Honesty loyalty, but if they moving wrong, then it's fair game, huh Mundo.

Mondo: 42:53

Hold on, let me ask a question. So as a, let's take us three right, we're talking about loyalty. I'm doing something that I ain't supposed to do. I'm like man, life is tough. I work at this bank. I'm about to steal this bread, and every week I steal a little bit of bread from the bank and I talk to y'all right, and I tell y'all that I'm stealing this bread from the bank. The loyal response is to do what? Are you supposed to check me? Does it get to a point to where we about to fight Because you, like yo, this Fed crime, bro you stealing money from the bank? Or it's loyalty? Oh man, that's just mine. I. I gotta let him do what he gonna do and learn his mistakes. Like, what does loyalty look like when you know somebody's doing something they ain't supposed to be doing?

Mack: 43:40

oh no, bro, I'm checking you all the time like why the? Why, your dumb ass keep taking money from the bank knowing you can go away for a while and the money ain't gonna matter anyway, because you're gonna be gone. That's me, my. I'm not gonna go to the bank like hey, y'all should probably check them cameras because because I know he's doing some, some, some dirty work in there. Like I'm just gonna try to hold you accountable. What?

Torrean: 44:05

you got to you yeah, I mean, I think it's the same thing, like you gotta check them.

Torrean: 44:08

I've been in that situation, uh, not with a bank, but just oh I'm about to say you got people y'all richfield boys crazy no, not robbing no banks, but it's just like, uh, you know, moving, moving the way they shouldn't move, and it's like you know I'm, I've always been the the, the voice, like the good, you know the good, uh, the angel on your shoulder, like that's been me. You know, like, hey, why are you doing all this? Like this is stupid, x, y and z, and when they ain't trying to hear it, I think that's just when, like I say you, you end up separating because it's like I don't, like I mind, if you're moving like that, I don't even want you calling me, I don't want them, I don't want no knock on the door or whatever from, from fucking anybody. Like I don't want Any of that, right?

Mondo: 44:54

so so then, all right, so, like so. In that situation it's like, all right, mondo's doing this at the bank. I'm no, I know it, I'm no longer kicking it with him and I done told him seven times you need to stop doing that At some point, do you stop? Or is it just like man, I'm just gonna keep saying it until he get caught or he stop? Like, where is your line on like loyalty and how much you're supposed to pour in and get that person to stop?

Torrean: 45:23

like I said man, I probably wouldn't, even I probably would stop talking to you. I ain't gonna lie. I probably would have said damn, you ain't a real friend then, hey, I ain't gonna lie robbing, do you mean I ain't gonna lie, it's robbing a fucking bank.

Mack: 45:37

I don't want to be associated with that bullshit see he's selfish, he like he robbing a bank, I might get in trouble. You gotta contact whoever. I would contact whoever I know that you would listen to or who you talk to on a regular basis. So I would hit your dad, hit jazz like hey, I heard he doing something that ain't smart Y'all should probably check up and follow up on him.

Torrean: 45:57

You're snitching now, that's what I'm saying. You snitching Like that's.

Mack: 46:01

That's not snitching, is it?

Torrean: 46:02

snitching. Yeah, hell yeah. You said I'm going to go tell your daddy, damn am.

Mack: 46:08

I Is that snitching? No, that's not snitching. That ain't snitching. No, that ain't snitching. That ain't snitching. No, that ain't snitching.

Mondo: 46:17

All right, so, like here's, this is interesting.

Mack: 46:22

Just telling the authorities or about the bank when it comes to these choices that he's making.

Mondo: 46:41

Right like him, not messing with him no more. And saying why he ain't messing with him no more is that word. Is that word that like line was crossed because Torrean's like I ain't talking to mondo, no more. But when you get out of podcast you ain't gonna say it's because he was robbing the bank. You're just gonna say I ain't talking to Mondo, no more. But when you get out of podcasts you ain't going to say it's because he was robbing a bank. You're just going to say I just stopped talking to him.

Torrean: 46:59

I would never call you out. I'm not going to say the reason why, but, like I said, I would just be like hey man, but what if I already got caught? Like oh yeah, I don't see him doing that, whatever.

Mondo: 47:16

That's interesting.

Torrean: 47:19

Yeah, I don't want nobody to know, I even had no.

Mondo: 47:23

Here you go. You're right, mac, he protected himself.

Mack: 47:25

You know what I'm saying? It ain't awesome.

Mondo: 47:29

Hey, I'm trying to protect mine, though it's like I want to make sure y'all don't think I was an accomplice.

Torrean: 47:36

Of course it's protecting you. You know what I'm saying, Of course.

Mondo: 47:39

No, but I'm saying in this situation, like Shannon Sharp, he already got caught Right, so everybody already know. Right, he caught red handed. So like, if you on a podcast you still ain't going to say out loud like, yeah, I stopped talking to Mondo because he let me know about this bank stuff, because you, like, I don't even want them to think that like, maybe I had something to do with it.

Torrean: 47:58

Well, yeah, because here's the thing, right. Right, let's say Ray Lewis would have been at the crib and met the chick before he said all that shit about Shannon Sharp and it's like, hey, but you was at the crib, right you know? Are you, you did whatever Like you know. Or you, you did whatever Like you know. Shannon Sharpe should have said you killed somebody, motherfucker, like straight up, hey, you ain't lying bro, like come on man. How y'all murdering ass gonna fucking kill me Some shit. You gonna fucking kill somebody.

Mack: 48:28

Calm down killer.

Mondo: 48:32

Straight up. Well, bruh see, this is where this is where I'm like fam. But aren't you now doing what you don't like, what Ray Lewis just did? Like you like saying something out loud about Ray Lewis right now?

Torrean: 48:48

yeah, no, exactly you're calling him out, but shit, you shouldn't open your mouth in the first place. You're opening your mouth on me and then they're not expecting me to open my mouth back but that's my judge right yeah, oh man, that's, that's interesting.

Torrean: 49:02

I think that's part of the problem. I think everybody trying to say, you know, chime in about what other people are doing instead of looking at themselves. So it's like ray lewis could be like, yeah, I killed that dude and you know god forgave me, whatever wouldn't cool. But then it's like, hey, you know, shannon still stuck by you during your worst and now you're gonna come and call him out during his worst, like you know all right.

Mondo: 49:24

So now let me ask a question. Do we now look at shannon and say shannon is responding with high integrity by not saying anything back to Ray, like I don't know if he has or not, but like to me? Then, like man right through this job, maybe right to certain people, but like Shannon, not even responding in public to me is high integrity, yes or no? You feel like he need to call him out.

Mack: 49:51

No, that's how integrity.

Torrean: 49:52

I think Shannon sharp is doing media training right now. He's not trying to say nothing else. That even bring up that case.

Mack: 50:01

But that's the thing.

Torrean: 50:04

In your opinion, did Shannon Sharp do wrong? Mondo? I know your perspective. Oh yeah, oh yeah you know mine. I want to hear Mack first. Did Shannon Sharp do it wrong, Like should he be out 20 M's? Is he dumb or whatever it was.

Mack: 50:23

Is he dumb? Yeah, he's dumb for sure, but last I checked he's a single male. Right, he's single, he's an adult. He got the money Like he paid for his own liquor. He adult, he got the money like he paid for his own liquor. He steal it and he can lay down who he wants to lay down with so no, I can't judge that man's lifestyle. All right, thank you, r kelly, for oh, I didn't, I didn't bring up the age. Huh, how old was she? How old was she?

Torrean: 50:53

I think they was like 19 when they first started, so yeah, oh yeah, that's crazy, that's great kelly for your response yeah, that's great, that is crazy.

Mack: 51:03

I didn't know she was that young. I didn't know that oh man, that's funny.

Mondo: 51:10

All right so, like. All right so like. I'm gonna use this term and this is a term that I'm actually really trying to work on and and make some decisions for myself. Right, so like sexual immorality what does that mean? Right, like some people are like yo, like if you, having sex outside of marriage like you done, broke that line and I I'm like really though.

Mondo: 51:35

And so when I look at Shannon right 55, 19 year old woman, like for me like that's immoral and you know you don't want that to be your chick and you just smashing and doing whatever and then going on about your business, you ain't taking her outside, like, like that's immoral behavior and so I feel like I want me to cut you out.

Mack: 51:57

I thought back on no phone calls. I heard either. You won't go out to dinner. Forget it, gabby, forget it gabby he did sound like an old ass man.

Mondo: 52:08

Forget it then, gabby yeah I know she was that young, though I ain't gonna lie so I don't know, man, certain things like to me are you know, you don't, you ain't supposed to be doing that and it's just. It's just an immoral line, you're right, like it ain't no legal law right, but it is immoral and he knew he shouldn't have been on that and a bunch of people telling him like, hey, bro, you need to do better. And he ain't listening. Well, eventually, like you got to have a consequence, or else your behavior ain't listening.

Mack: 52:34

Well, eventually, like you got to have a consequence or your behavior ain't going to change. Yeah, he down 20 M's now 20 million.

Torrean: 52:40

That's crazy, you know. I seen something yesterday she's talking about yeah, people need to call me the boss now. I seen that.

Mack: 52:47

That's why, hey, tori, yeah, shannon Sharp, be at Chipotle. He be at Chipotle trying to recruit them. Girls with the Ugg boots, my bad.

Torrean: 53:04

I don't know what you mean.

Mack: 53:06

Yeah, it's all good.

Torrean: 53:07

Nah, I'm just playing, All right, so yeah, so, in terms of the betrayal, what does betrayal look? Like man, Like Mondo? How can somebody have you so messed up that you're just like?

Mack: 53:23

That you would consider cutting them off today.

Mondo: 53:29

That's a good question.

Mack: 53:34

I got it. I got an answer.

Mondo: 53:37

Go ahead. Let me think about that.

Mack: 53:38

If your actions do anything that would affect me or my family or any of my loved ones, you got to go. That would involve stealing. If you're trying to sleep with my girl, you're trying to harm my kids. Anyway, I can't be around you, bro, yeah so is that grudge or forgiveness?

Torrean: 53:58

what does that look like?

Mack: 54:02

oh, that's old school, mondo, you gotta go. You cut, you cut off. All facts can't deal with. No thief bro, for nobody who doesn't care. If they were to harm somebody in my family, hell, no, that's when the old ways come out.

Mondo: 54:18

So to me it's it's an orchestrated setup is betrayal to me. You sat and plotted and planned with another human to do something that was deceptive. I feel like some people could like make a choice, that in the moment they reflect back and they're like man that was dumb, unwise, whatever. But again we go back to the whiteboard. If you sat down and whiteboarded like how you about to get the best from Mondo, or how you going to get over, or how you going to whatever, like that's betrayal to me.

Torrean: 54:57

Yeah, go ahead. I agree with both of y'all. Actually, anything to do with my family, or? You know, I hate when people lie on me. That's probably one of my. My biggest things is like you know, if you're gonna lie on me, I'll hold that grudge to to the depths. Somebody's lied on you before. Yeah, I don't even want to talk about it. You're going to lie on me. That's the ultimate betrayal To your point, mac. You're doing something to my family For sure. Mind you, if somebody's plotting on you taking the time, that's premeditated type shit.

Mondo: 55:38

Let me ask a question, though. This person betrayed you right. Whoever it is that lied on you, Do you feel responsible to forgive that person or those people?

Mack: 55:53

Hey, how did they betray me? Was it some words, like you made me? I felt a certain way because of the words you said, or was there some action? Because that helps me determine what I'm doing. So if I come to the crib and I knew you was the only person there some shit missing, I can't have you around, bro. So I just I hold a grudge. Yeah, you got to move around. I hold a grudge. Yeah, you got to move around. Or if you got a homie, you got a homie. And let's just say you find out he's in your girl's phone. You know what I'm saying? That's wild to me. Yeah, that is wild. How about you? How y'all feel about?

Torrean: 56:37

that. Oh yeah, I mean, I think, like I said, said I had no words really for mondo, because you know like forgive that's for me, but you don't even know any. I forgave you. You know I'm saying like I don't have to call you, but hey, man, I forgave you. I could just be like, hey, I'm just not gonna waste energy on this bum ass pussy motherfucker. But that got real personal oh yeah, I started getting flashbacks.

Mondo: 57:05

My bad y'all, but yeah like nah, bro, see, like all right, if you do something that is not of high integrity and you're in the season of your life where you're like man, I do want to fix that. But I don't know how to fix it Right. Like I ain't talked to this person in years or whatever. Like it'd be super weird to just call them and ask for forgiveness. It might be hard for that person to do that, but if Torrean randomly hit me up and was just like hey, bro, I just want to tell you like here was the situation from years back. I forgive you. You're just like leading with that grace, don't you feel? Like maybe that like unlocks that person? They're like, bro, I've been trying to develop the courage to call you for like three years and I just couldn't, and so like thank you for giving that to me. And then they like pour their heart out and well, that's all I was gonna say.

Torrean: 58:00

I don't know if you feel comfortable sharing mondo, uh, but that just recently happened to you. Say more what are we talking about? Uh, I'm trying to think of a girl's name oh yeah, I'll bleep that out.

Mack: 58:18

The name.

Mondo: 58:19

Yeah for sure. Yeah. So like, yeah, that human, I contracted them to do some business, right, and it was just like a couple grand, two or three grand, and I paid them up front to do the work. Grand, and I paid them upfront to do the work and this was around COVID time and after I paid them they were like I disagree with this work, I'm not going to do it.

Mondo: 58:52

And they kept the money and then they dipped and then randomly they circled back years later like hey, can we have a conversation, can we talk? And I'm like sure. And then we had a conversation. They talked about all the things that they went through in life and things were challenging and it was up and down roller coaster of just like mental health and struggles and all that stuff said like hey, do you forgive me for essentially stealing money from you, but like I didn't hold that against them, I was just like cool, like let's have a conversation and we kind of talked about her mental health and all that. But like I just felt like in that moment, in that conversation, it was my responsibility to just show up as a kind, caring human and not even worry about the bread. So like, yeah, it happened and I didn't hold it against her.

Torrean: 59:44

Maybe one day she circles back and she's just like oh you know what, like, I still need to fix this thing, but in that conversation she did not, yeah, so I think that's very powerful that she did that for sure. And I think I think it comes down to like relationships. I mean, I know I got like a lot of people in my life I consider to be my best friends or family or whatever. But, that being said, it's like being morally contracted to somebody is like that's a deep, foundational relationship thing. That's a deep, foundational relationship thing. That like is a privilege If you're that person. That, hey, this person feels so they, they, they don't want to, they never want to disappoint you, right, like for myself, and y'all can speak on this for yourselves if y'all want to.

Torrean: 1:00:36

But, like I knew, at the end of the day, throughout trouble growing up, in anger, issues and decisions to be made, I knew I never wanted to disappoint my grandparents, right, my mom's side and grandma Bert, never, ever what I wanted them. And I think that came from being, like you know, my grandpa, my mom's side, I'm the oldest Right, and having that responsibility of being the oldest, and then, on Grandma Bird's side, I was one of the oldest and having that, that, that trust that comes with that. I never wanted them to be disappointed, you know, and so, and then you know I right, like mac younger, everything else, like I felt, like I had to. You know, like I felt another person that I don't want him to do wrong, so I gotta do right type shit, but I feel like that's a privilege.

Torrean: 1:01:36

So to your point, mondo, in that situation she looked at you in a higher regard than maybe you even recognized, because if she's even pulling you for that conversation, that means that her conscious feels some type of way and that could be because maybe you treated her genuinely better than like 99% of the people. But she felt some type of moral, contractual thing with you and it was platonic. I'm not talking about when I say like that type of stuff. I'm not talking about anything more than just, like you know, platonic stuff, but it's a deep relationship. That's that's rooted for show.

Mondo: 1:02:15

Mm. Hmm, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, it was a. It was a shocking moment to have received that call and it was.

Mack: 1:02:23

You know, it wasn't even a text.

Mondo: 1:02:25

No, it was a call. Yeah it was a call. So anyways, man, like you know, relationships are key. I think we all know, like humans, healing are key. I think we all know, like humans, healing or finding a way to heal is part of all of our journey, and sometimes it can get super messy. We can be scared to do it right, it doesn't feel like there's no way out. But, uh, you know, healing from betrayal rather, you've been betrayed or you are the betrayer is that's, that's some, that's some. That's some tough stuff, bro.

Torrean: 1:03:05

So so we talked about betrayal from a celebrity standpoint of things, words that can be said, this and that, right, and it was mainly, it was mainly set up to be, you know, from a friend, right, because I feel like friends can cut you deep, but there's one thing that can cut you deeper and that's your actual relationship. What does that betrayal look like in a relationship to you?

Mack: 1:03:35

I mean, I don't think it's a lot of people's first mind will go to cheating, like, oh, you cheated on me, but I think there's. There's some things that could cut deeper. So we talked about talking behind your back or being on the phone and you overhear something or phone calls getting leaked. Can you imagine a hurt that you with somebody you love them and then you see a text message or you overhear a conversation and your girl's just bashing or talking to her home girls like that would hurt. Have either of you ever experienced anything like that?

Torrean: 1:04:07

or yeah, I haven't experienced something like that, you know, but I do definitely think that would hurt, but I also think that would hurt, but I also think that you know, the when it comes to relationships, it is tricky and it's mainly because it's like you know, I think men we have we do have soft egos when it comes to our women and we, you know, like you know, being a man and really trying to give your your all in a relationship, it's like man, they're going to see you at your weakest, and so then, for them to point out your flaws, especially if they were talking in a situation like that, mac, that would be fucked up.

Mack: 1:04:56

Yeah, I mean in certain ways that, like, like you said, though, that is kind of worse than cheating, you know, oh for sure I mean because of your effort, right, like I think, in relationships, a lot of times, effort gets ignored, doesn't get acknowledged, and it's like it becomes a selfish thing, like, well, this is how I feel, just, and they just disregard your efforts and all the things you put into it, right? So, yeah, I think I think that, yeah, I don't know where I was going with that I got, I got to get my thoughts together.

Mondo: 1:05:32

I would say that for me, in relationships, even though I felt like I always not always relationships even though I felt like I always not always let me, let's go back to like maybe 2016 ish, right, let's just. Or the last 10 years. So for the last 10 years, I'm always going to show up and tell you the truth upfront of like what I'm looking for or what I desire, or like where my line is in an intimate relationship. Right, like an openness, or you have the freedom to do this and that. Like I really try to paint clear lines, or I did in the past.

Mondo: 1:06:11

Yes, and I believe that in most of those relationships, I was perceived as the betrayer. Right, because, like I would move in a certain way where I felt like there was an agreement on our freedom and flexibility to talk, date, whatever, and when emotions got involved too deep, there was a different expectation. And so, to the other person, they then felt betrayed Like yo, you weren't supposed to like this person that much, or you weren't supposed to show up to that event with that person, or you weren't supposed to. Right, like there's a lot of feelings of betrayal because the lines were so gray. Because the lines were so gray.

Mondo: 1:06:58

So I would say in my journey, there are many people who in that moment would be like, yeah, mondo was the betrayer. But I would say that fast forward all of those relationships. I'm talking about, every last one of them. The human would now say like, yeah, me and Mondo are friends or our relationship is more sound and solid than it ever was. Because he was truthful, right, like from the beginning, he was honest with how he wanted to move. But at the time I was letting my emotions get in the way and so that's not making me like the righteous guy, because I was being honest up front, because it was still manipulative, right, and so I could have been better. But I guess I'm telling the story this way because in many ways humans looked at me as the betrayer because I was outside you know so.

Torrean: 1:08:02

No, that's real. So, yeah, mardo, let me pose this question to you. Okay, so what does betrayal look like? Like, is there something that could happen to you right now and you just be like yo? I can never, ever forgive.

Mondo: 1:08:21

No In your relationship.

Mondo: 1:08:23

Oh, in a relationship, I mean, there's things that could happen where, let's just say, if I'm in a committed relationship, there are some things that can happen where I'm like I have no desire to go back and be in a committed relationship with that human again.

Mondo: 1:08:40

Right, like that's just a clear line to be like. You know, we can be great friends, we can spend time together, we can have deep conversation, but because you did this thing, there's something just in me that doesn't allow me to now like recommit and like try this again with you, like that's a thing. But for somebody to do something to me from a relationship standpoint and me say and like try this again with you, like that's a thing. But for somebody to do something to me from a relationship standpoint and me say like I never want to see you again, don't call, text me, don't, I'm gonna block you on all socials and all that stuff, I feel like that's just high emotion. But we should get over that. We should forgive that person, cause as a human, like we all, still just growing. So hopefully that answered your question, but you can ask it a different way if if you need me to offer more clarity.

Mack: 1:09:27

So what if, what if, what if she? Or have you ever? Or what if a woman, just like, wasn't always as honest as you are, like? Is that something that you would be like no, I got, I got to cut you off Cause I don't feel like you're always honest or is that something you would just ignore? Just, I don't know.

Mondo: 1:09:48

So I felt like I've experienced that at certain seasons because for some reason, for some reason, the other human felt like them saying their things out loud and being 100% transparent was going to influence me, to respond a certain kind of way, like there was some fear there, right, because they just grew up not speaking the truth or like holding things to themselves, being a people pleaser, or like holding things to themselves being a people pleaser, so like for them, the thing that they wanted to say out loud or they should have said out loud, which was like a really big deal Actually, if they said it to me it wouldn't have did nothing, but to them it was just really hard for them to say it out loud because they spent majority of their life people pleasing and so more often than not, I would stay in it and just continue to encourage that person to say the thing out loud, to be honest, because I feel like part of their growth as just a human and as a friend is having the courage to say that thing out loud that they actually feel, and then experiencing the repercussions of saying those things out loud, no matter what they are.

Mondo: 1:11:06

However, the repercussions that come from me ain't really no consequence. It's just like oh yo, like thanks for saying that out loud, even if it's something that's like super messed up, like that has never really happened before, where somebody told me something and I was like dang, I didn't see that coming Right, uh. But every time that has happened it's just like yo, that wasn't that hard, was it right All right Now, now here we are, and how do we move forward?

Mack: 1:11:37

Thanks for saying it all out.

Torrean: 1:11:40

What about?

Mack: 1:11:40

you T? Yeah, I mean, I think, what does a betrayal from a woman look like to you, t man?

Torrean: 1:11:43

if she shoot my ass, aside from cheating, if she shoot my ass, bro.

Mondo: 1:11:46

If she shoot you.

Torrean: 1:11:47

That'd be crazy. Nah, I think it. Like I said, mac, I think it's a lot of what you said. I mean, obviously, like words hurt, but just maybe taking your intentions and twisting your intentions or just alienating you without telling you what's going on. That feels a lot like it's just like yo.

Mack: 1:12:11

we've been together for however many years and you just they only seem to want to express it when they're at their breaking point.

Torrean: 1:12:22

Yeah.

Mack: 1:12:24

So we go around every day.

Mondo: 1:12:25

Does that fall into the betrayal bucket, though? I mean, I get how that can be frustrating and hard in a relationship. It could lead to betrayal though.

Mack: 1:12:37

It's a lead-up type thing, I would think, because if you're holding all this baggage and you really feeling the way you ain't saying it, then all those feelings, emotions, all those conversations they're having with yourselves in their head could lead to a poor action.

Torrean: 1:12:51

Yeah, so think too, messing with your kids you know what I'm saying Like messing with your kids and your kids' relationships, that shit's wild. Yeah, like you know, I think the one thing you never do is talk bad about your kids in front of your, you know, about their parent, no matter what. That's, that's a rule. That's gotta be a rule.

Mack: 1:13:17

And the moment you start doing that, you got me all the way fucked up man, I'm so happy you said that T, that is, that'll probably be number one for me for sure, like I'm happy you mentioned that that's interesting you ever dealt with anything like that mondo?

Torrean: 1:13:41

probably not I mean, you only got one but I'm only asking you this question because you know you co-parented pretty much all of k's life, right, um. But it's like I don't know if that ever was a situation where you know her mom just would bash you to her and if that ever had an impact on you and Kay's relationship.

Mondo: 1:14:13

So I believe that Like you do get what you put out, like you do get what you put out. So if you genuinely care about that person unconditionally and you show up for that person unconditionally, it's hard for that person to like circle back with just pure malice. It's just like yo, they can do something because they're hurt or they're frustrated, but like evil, just malice, like I just feel like you just can't really do that to somebody you love. At least that's been my experience. And so I would say, when it comes to me and Brittany, as a human, like I've always just wanted the best for Brittany, and so most people would say like yo, you two have had the best co-parenting relationship of anybody I know.

Mondo: 1:15:06

And I would say, of Cadence's 18 years, 15 of them were flawless, three of them were challenging, but the only challenging piece was just the financial part, right, so like I didn't have no bread, I couldn't pay for nothing, and so to be in a relationship where, or a co-parenting relationship where we split everything 50, 50, and then for us to be in a season where I could not contribute, yeah, like she was frustrated, and so the things that she would say out loud to me or to cadence would be out of of frustration with money because I changed the script. It's still the truth, right? It's like Ray Lewis talking about Shannon Sharp. Like man, you're saying that thing out loud. You made your daughter aware of what the thing is, but it's also still the truth of what the thing is. But it's also still the truth.

Mack: 1:15:59

And so in our situation, money was the only challenge and I had to eat it because what was being said was true.

Torrean: 1:16:13

So that's real so, but she ain't never called you like just talk shit about you.

Mondo: 1:16:21

Not to my awareness, there have been people where cadence would tell me like there's some other humans in proximity that would talk, ish, right, say things that cross the border of like you really got to go there. But when I then reflect I'm like, well, that's not a healthy human Right. Just like like you, me, knowing that person and how they show up in life, they are, or historically have been, a black hole Right. So like if they're going through some stuff, they're trying to drag other people into that stuff. And so me just sharing with Cadence, like you, yo, you don't have to give that any energy, nor do you even have to defend me. That's not your responsibility. And so I would say, in that season Cadence and I actually got closer because I encouraged her to allow people to say things out loud and then just wait for the story to continue to unfold. And when we come out on the other side and we still feel good about all the things that we've done or said out loud, like we feel better about ourselves, where somebody else might be like man, feeling a little icky, you know. So anyways, man, that's a lot of ways of saying like I believe God doesn't allow anything to happen in my life that wasn't supposed to happen. And so when certain things be happening and I'm like man, this is kind of whack. I'm like all right, god, I don't know why you got to be going through this season, but for some reason you feel like I'm strong enough, I'm mentally tough enough, I have enough patience, I have enough discipline or resilience or whatever, where there wasn't a lot of people that you can call on to send into this environment and still show up with love assignment, because you're the closest one in that area that I can call on to go on that assignment and still say words of love, no matter where you're at, and like. I'm proud of that.

Mondo: 1:18:23

And I just feel like there are certain humans right who, like, truly believe in themselves or are always extremely optimistic, or just love life so much, or feel like everything is a blessing, and I feel like God uses those humans to go love on other people in environments where they're like dang, I didn't expect you to put me here, god, but that's just their role in the story. Because, going back to our last podcast, you were like man, some people ain't never experienced love, or they're in a household where they're sexually abused, or they're in a household where, like, they're sexually abused or they're mentally abused or whatever, and they don't even know what love is like. And then god's like, ah man, when they go to the park tomorrow, they go on their walk, I'm gonna make sure that they cross paths with Torrean, and Torrean's gonna smile at him or and bite his lip like he does, or something right, and then they're gonna spark up a conversation and so, like you gotta be special to get the bite lit, to get to get the lip bite.

Torrean: 1:19:26

You know you gotta be special, you know no, that's real, though, mondo.

Mack: 1:19:32

Yeah, man. So it says a lot about you as a dad.

Mondo: 1:19:36

If you made it through 18 years and I had to deal with child support, you good oh, fucks, fucks, but mom, no, but on some real stuff like I am going to exclusively like shout out britney, like as a as a mom co-parent. Yeah, she was exceptional. There's not another human on the planet. I would have asked to be a co-parent to cadence. And so, like yo, shout out to you brit, shout out to brit nah for sure, shout it out, shout out, britney.

Torrean: 1:20:09

Uh, but who's gonna wrap it up today? Go ahead, t all right, I'm gonna wrap it up. So, yeah, man, I appreciate everybody rocking with us. Uh, you know, we've been, um know, on this patient journey over the last three years to try to bring you all the best, the best content possible. So today was a little bit of a switch up in terms of, you know, celebrity topics, everything else you know, a little bit on a lighter note, especially because we went really hard and deep on our last episode. So we wanted to kind of give you all something a little bit more refreshing, entertaining, pause. But uh, but what that means, said you know. Uh, let us know what you like, let us know what kind of content you like. I know we're going to talk, talk a lot more deeper, uh, parenting topics, but we also want to provide the entertainment and just kind of that, that, that that ease of a, of an or whatever time frame it is that you can enjoy. So, with that being said, we appreciate y'all for rocking with us. For my co-host, mac and Mondo, my name is Torrean, aka Daddy, and we out