Iesha

This week, the fellas dive straight into expectations, boundaries, and what happens when personal business hits the public. From everyday relationships to the spotlight of celebrity marriages, the crew debates where honesty ends and oversharing begins.

The Ayesha Curry conversation takes center stage—what does “wanting to feel desired” really mean, and when does transparency start to blur the line of respect? T, Mack, and Mondo unpack it all with humor, honesty, and hard truths about love, ego, and communication.

Raw, relatable, and rooted in real talk, They Call Me Daddy delivers a grounded male perspective on modern relationships, vulnerability, and the balance between being seen and being solid.

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Torrean: 0:00
Yo, yo, yo, yo, what's good, yo? Welcome to another episode of the They Call Me Daddy Appearance Podcast. Let me introduce my co-host. We got Mondo, aka. I'm not frolicking no more. I'm glowing. And we got and we got Mack. I'ma smile till I die. My name is Torrean, aka Daddy. What's going on, fellas? How y'all doing? What's up, man?
Mondo: 0:26
Man, you got energy today, bro. That was actually a dope intro. Like, you smiling, man. You feeling good today. What's up? You floating today, T?
Torrean: 0:36
Nah, I'm not floating, but you glowing, though. You know what I'm saying? So you know, that's probably why you appreciate it more. Okay, what's that? The last dragon? The last dragon, I got the glow. Hell yeah. Mack, you really do look like Chico Bean right now, though, man. All the way.
Mackk: 0:50
See? You see how he does well? You see how he does well, but then he just takes that shit all the way into the ground.
Mondo: 0:59
Oh man. Hey, Mack. I did peep it for a second when he said it though. Maybe it's the way the lights hitting the day.
Torrean: 1:07
The glasses, the beanie, all that, bro. The beard. I feel like I'm wildin' out.
Mackk: 1:13
Wild. Wild.
Torrean: 1:14
What's going on, man?
Mackk: 1:15
You got it. Y'all got it. Man, I'm chilling, man. What's up with y'all?
Torrean: 1:21
Man, Mack said we gotta bring the energy. That's what he told me yesterday, Mondo. He's like, the one thing we missing is that energy. So, you know, what's up? We're turning up.
Mondo: 1:29
All right, I'm ready, man. I was just telling Mack when you stepped away, T, that uh this weekend, uh, shout out to Tyree Burks and Players Health. Uh, Tyree was pulling together some like dope men, men of God, to like go on a rest retreat. And so I'll actually be in Wyoming this weekend and just unplugged and just just vibing and resting and just like being. And so I'm actually super excited that I got the invite to that. And so hopefully I come back rejuvenated, got some just new blessings in my spirit. So uh I'm feeling super excited about that, bro.
Torrean: 2:08
Nah, that's dope. That's real dope, man. You know what's weird about that, Mondo? Is literally I was right before the pod today, I was watching Cash Cab. And uh they said, What's what state has the least population? And the answer was Wyoming. And I was just thinking about, man, I should go back to Wyoming because I've driven through, it's like it's very, very pretty. Uh I was on a trip from here to Northern Cal and uh so we drove, and like you actually drive under like through a mountain. Like it's super dope, it's super pretty. Okay. So I didn't even know Wyoming was like that underpopulated, but I was literally thinking that not even an hour ago. So that's pretty dope that you're going there. Yeah, I'm excited, bro. What's uh what's one thing you want to get out of the out of the trip where you have no expectations, you're just kind of going to well to be unplugged, right?
Mondo: 2:56
Like they're like, yo, cell phone server's gonna be super spotty, ain't no internet, right? So like not bringing my computer, so really like bringing my phone for music and headphones and then Bible in a notebook. And so I'm curious what I actually put down in this notebook, right? Like I haven't intentionally spent time just writing like pen to paper in a long time. So that's where you know, that's where I'm at, bro. That's that's gonna be the major takeaway. What do I write down?
Mackk: 3:29
Yeah, we're gonna have to recap that when he gets back on the next pod, man. I'm interested to see what he comes up with. Nah, for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_02: 3:35
You're gonna be driving out there, flying. What you doing? Flying. Okay. Yeah, I leave tonight at like 10. So that's dope, Mack.
Mackk: 3:46
Uh Mack, what's up with you, man? How you been? Oh man, you know, the last few days have been kind of crazy over my way. So my second oldest, Morrow, had a football game on Sunday. He had just got a pick six, brought it back to the crib. They were down 13 to 6. He was coming back, coming a comeback drive, was going to throw the ball, got hit in the arm, arm broke. So, right after that, you know, we've been at the hospital. Yep, doctor visits nonstop. He's just been resting, so just catering to him and just taking care of him. So a little tired.
Mondo: 4:24
It's his dominant arm.
Mackk: 4:26
Dominant arm, yep. Yep. So, you know, us as dads, I was talking to Tori yesterday, and every dad I spoke to was like, well shit, perfect time for him to work on his right. Facts. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. But, you know, it was tough. But you know, like he's a strong kid, bruh. And I think about Motto too, because he ain't cry, bruh. He was just on the ground, like, hey, my shit broke. I'm like, I'm like, all right, well, let's get you to the hospital. But yeah, so it's on my last few days, man. Just catering tomorrow.
Mondo: 5:00
Well, prayers are to out tomorrow, bro. Uh you know, like you said, on a on the other side of this, hey, if he get out there ambidextrious, yeah, like I bust y'all with my left or my right. Right.
Mackk: 5:12
Great story. Looking forward to that, and just like finding the beauty in between, like, you know, tough times. So like he's sitting there. I don't know if it was if he was high or what off the meds, but he was just like, I'm gonna be alright. He said, God gave his toughest tasks to the strongest soldier to his strongest soldiers. And when he said that, I'm like, where did that come from? Right. You know what I'm saying? So that made me proud. And then he's just like, Man, I need my phone. I gotta call my brothers. And something about that just touched me, bro. Like, he don't care about nothing. He just wanna call his brothers, let them know he's alright. And so there was beauty in it for sure, but his bounce back's gonna be gonna be tough, bro. I'm excited for it.
Mondo: 5:56
Man, but even just the like hitting a quote unquote bottom moment and then having that faith, and then just wanting your family or your loved ones, like in those moments, you definitely recognize like this all that matters, bro. Like the world is always gonna sMackk you in the face in some type of way, but your loved ones, right? Like, they're gonna be there to hold you up or pick you up or encourage you to get back up. And man, that's that's what we're here to do, bro. That's dope.
Mackk: 6:26
Yeah, sir.
Torrean: 6:27
Yeah, now I um so as a dad, man, how what you're gonna do to keep, you know, keep his spirits high, keep him boosted, because uh, I don't know how long the recovery is, but uh, I'm assuming that that's gotta be one of the things I know. Marl can't really, he's one of the people that can't really say stay still like that, you know. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna do anything different or intentional to make sure he feels uh himself every day?
Mackk: 6:54
Man, I think that it's just um my first thought is just getting him out walking conversations with me. You know what I'm saying? We're just gonna start walking together in the mornings before school, maybe, and for sure after school, but just walking with him, watching film, watching sports, I don't think too much is gonna change because you know, basketball season right around the corner for Mack, so he'll still be around. He ain't gonna be able to participate, but he'll still be around sports and stuff, so I think he'll be all right.
Torrean: 7:24
No, I was gonna say from just the sports part of it, I think like watching film is dope because like I think Mara, you know, he he plays safety. Um I know he's a natural safety, I feel like, but being able to look at the field from that perspective is is great. But then also he's been playing quarterback, like you said, he threw he was throwing the ball. So that was kind of what I was interested in and seeing is like him learning the game as a quarterback will only improve his game as a safety naturally. Uh, but with that being said, too, it's like uh is he gonna want to still play quarterback and be like, oh no, that got me messed up. I can't go out like that, or will he just go back to his natural position? So that'd be interesting. Yeah.
Mackk: 8:07
I mean, from what he said, he's he won't do it all, bro. So man, ain't no holding us over here, man. What's up?
Mondo: 8:14
No, that's that's like he bouncing back. Torin was talking about film, and you were talking about like the tactical growth, and I was thinking about film and like now just approaching them different and just talking about like that leadership and just him being that voice. Because when you said like he said that out loud, like I think about a halftime moment where now he done watch so much film of like seeing those moments because he's like, Oh, I remember when we watch Remember the Titans, oh, I remember when we watch such and such, and then you just being like, yo, son, sports is necessary to like break through these challenges, but those moments where a leader says the right words to pull the best out of others, like that's that's the stories that get cemented in history, and so him having these moments to sit back and watch these films, and as a as a dad, right? Being like, yo, you see that moment, you see what he said when he was out, right? You see how he lifted up his team when he was out, and then that then becomes a norm. And so, man, um I'm super excited for this transformational season for morrow because as dads, we're gonna show up to pull out the best in our kids.
Mackk: 9:28
Yes, sir. I like that perspective, Mondo. That's dope. Thanks for putting that on my on my radar.
Torrean: 9:35
Adversity definitely builds character, so no doubt.
Mackk: 9:38
You know, what's up with you though, T, what's going on your way, man?
Torrean: 9:42
Man, I'm uh it's kind of interesting. Like, I'm not gonna get into it on this pod because I'm gonna save this material, but you know, I've had some struggles with parenting this week uh in a different dynamic. And so um, it's just one of those things where I'm looking forward to uh reconnecting with Rainey, uh, or not reconnecting, but connecting with her on a deeper level because this weekend we're going on a solo, or just the two of us, we're going to Kansas City. So road trip, you know, she's gonna go to a Chiefs game, we'll come back, and then she's got MEA all next week. So it's just me and her. Her mom's going out of town for work, so it's just uh very interesting time right now, but I'm excited for the fact that um we get to just kind of spend that that dad-daughter time and just you know, you know, spend the time together. So I got some. She's eight. Okay. Yeah. So our last trip alone was uh two years ago. We went to Disney or went to Orlando together. Uh we had stayed with family and stuff like that. Um she had some cousins that she never met before there. Uh however, you know, we got to go to the parks. We went to Universal alone and just really spent that time together alone, which was which was a lot of fun. So, you know, road trip. We have, you know, we don't have a timetable when we need to get back. Uh, because like I said, she's off for a week. Uh mom ain't gonna be at the crib. So who knows? Maybe we might just go venture off and go somewhere else and kind of just have it spontaneous time. We might stay in Kansas City, hit two games. I don't know.
Mackk: 11:23
How is she doing car rides normally?
Torrean: 11:27
She's good. Like she'll have her iPads, she got her whole routine. She got her snacks. You know, as long as she got snacks in her iPad, she's straight. The problem is that she gotta use the damn bathroom every 30 30 damn minutes, man. And that that bothers the hell out of me because I'm just like, yo, I'm trying to get from point A to point B. Like, I don't need to stop. We can stop one's for gas. I uh, you know, I ain't gotta pee. We let's just go. But uh, you know, so it's the exact opposite. She's like, oh, I got that drive camera again. It's only six hours, like six, six and a half hours. So it's just right now 35, but it's a smooth drive. Yeah. Uh, but you know, I'm about to give her a pep talk prior to it, like, yo, this is what we're doing. We're gonna use the bathroom, you're gonna have your snacks, we're gonna go from point A to point B. You know, if you get bored, go to sleep.
Mondo: 12:13
But uh Okay, I got a question then, and this might segue us into the next segment. Like, living together, parenting together, and then like trips and traveling kind of happen. Is there a certain like prep that Ricky does? Like, okay, like let me prep the meals, let me do these things. Like, is there an expectation or is it like, nah, y'all are doing this for a week? So, like Torrin, you need to cook or don't buy food every day. Like, how does that dynamic work for you?
Torrean: 12:40
Yeah, I mean, I think moms are always gonna be moms, so it's just like, you know, making sure, oh, we gotta get this, order this, you know, make sure Rainey has what she needs for sure. You know, make sure we gotta we got, I mean, we do road trips down to Kansas City quite often, a couple times a year. Um, so like we got a routine already in place for that, but you know, it's just making sure that we're able to stay healthy too. So like I was telling Rainy, like, you gotta come on my walk, you know, you gotta walk with me every day. She's like, I don't want to do that, Daddy. But I'm like, eh, we can stop by Smoothie King and grab me a protein shake. You know, I don't like smoothies. And I'm like, all right, I'm like, they big, you know, it's just like ice cream, it's just you know, it's just fruit. She's like, oh, okay, I want one of them. I'm like, all right. But she likes smoothies, but she's just being difficult. That's what's up. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm excited for this weekend. We're gonna see what's going on. You know, you're gonna be you're gonna be on your male retreat. I'm gonna be kicking in with my daughter, you know. So, Mack, what you got playing this weekend? Something fun. I mean, I was about to say, ain't either of y'all gonna be at the family BBQ. So Yeah, I was actually looking forward to going too. I didn't um I gave Rennie the the option between Valley Fair and the Chiefs game, and she chose to go to the game. So uh, but I was looking forward to, you know, shout out to Uncle Doug, man. He's always bringing the family together.
Mackk: 14:01
So that should be dope, Mike. Yeah, so I'm gonna kick it with them Saturday, bro. And then uh Sadie's going out of town this weekend, too. She's going to Chicago, so just be me and the boys kicking it all weekend.
Mondo: 14:12
Oh, okay. Okay. A lot of a lot of transition family time this weekend, huh? A lot of solo time.
Torrean: 14:19
Yeah, for sure. All right, so let's get to our topic, fellas. Uh so man, all over social media this week has been the respark of Aisha Curry uh kind of seeking attention from other men, or that's how people are perceiving it. So she was on uh different podcasts talking about how you know she didn't want kids, she wanted to be a career woman, um, and how she, you know, she said, you don't know what you actually want for yourself. So she did say that. Um but people are taking it as another shot of at her marriage or her being unhappy in her marriage with Steph Curry. Um previously, Aisha said that she wanted to be desired or wanted some attention from other males, not because she wanted to act on that, but she it's because she wanted to feel that attention. Uh in watching that back, uh she was with she was with Jada Pinkett, who we talked about, or Jada Pinkett Smith, who we talked about, uh we've talked about many episodes of this podcast, but uh um what I didn't realize though is Steph Curry's mom was right there, right next to her. And she was shaking her head. Yeah, I understand that, I understand that. Which we all know Steph Curry's mom is a baddie. But anyway. Uh so with that being said, what's y'all's thoughts on this, man? Like, you know, what's your thoughts on Aisha? And then we're gonna bring it into your expectations for in your own relationship.
Mondo: 15:54
I mean, I'm curious one, I'm curious if Steph knows this. Right? Like, if y'all got this union, you think everything's good in this partnership, and then you go on this pod and you say these things out loud, this is the first time Steph's hearing this, like, yo, like we ain't never talked about this. So I'm curious if she felt safe enough to like let Steph know. And then the question then becomes if your partner says that to you, how do you respond as a man? Right? Like, like literally, if Sadie's and Ricky was just like, yo, like, I feel like I'm not desirable or I'm not feeling desired by people outside of you, and I just wanted to tell you that that I'm just I'm feeling insecure about it. How are we even supposed to respond or show up? Like, I like I don't even know. So, like, even after Aisha saying that on a pod, when she gets back to the crib, like what is the man even supposed to say, or like what would you say in that scenario? So that's what I'm actually most curious about.
Mackk: 17:04
But you're you're the calmest out of both out of all three of us. And I think Seth Curry seems like he has your type of energy. So how would you respond? I was curious of that.
Mondo: 17:17
Yeah, so if if I knew about it already, right? Like, I'd be like, oh, okay, man. Like it'd have been nice to know that you was about to go talk about that on the pod. But cool. Okay. Like, like here we are. Now, how are we going to respond together given the conversation that we just sparked? And not necessarily to answer the questions of like outside voices, but like how are we going to respond like internally? Like, what are we going to do now? Because now, like, we have to take action, right? As a as a unit. If you told me this already and I didn't make a change, or you didn't make a change, fast forward a year, two years, or 10 years, and a change still hasn't happened, and you're bringing it up again. Clearly, this insecurity hasn't been resolved. So, like, what are we going to do as a unit to make this change? And that's where like I wouldn't necessarily have the answer, right? Like, do you just send her off on a stellar get your groove back trip, but be like, yo, here's the line, right? But like, like go out and bachelor party or bachelorette party it. Mack shaking his head, like, absolutely not. Tori got this smirk, like, I wish a nigga would. So, like, for me, it's really all about like, yo, how do we resolve this thing? I wouldn't take it personally as she said it out loud, but I'm trying to get to a resolution. And then I'm trying to also reflect and be like, is there something that I'm not doing to make her feel as desired as she needs to feel for me? Like, I don't know. If you marry for a certain amount of time, I don't know if inevitably you just feel like, do I still got it? Like, I don't know if that's a thing for real. And maybe there's nothing else that I could do, and she just feels that way. Uh, so again, this is me not being married. I have no insight, but I'm really curious just about the whole scenario because as dudes, right? Like, eventually we might be like, hold on, man. Like, like, let me go stretch a little bit. Let me go step outside and see if anybody even wink at me. Like, rather we say it to our partners or not, like we we know if we still got it. And if we do, are we just good? Like, we don't even have to tell nobody. We just like, oh, like it's still there. The mighty's touch is still there. Uh so, anyways, I feel like I'm saying a lot of words.
Torrean: 19:42
I'm gonna ask y'all to chime in. Cause uh I feel like you're saying a lot of words and not answering the question, dog. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Mackk: 19:50
Like, I mean, it's it's hard, it's it's a tough answer, but uh you mind if I go? Yeah, go for it. Yeah, nah, please do. So this is probably how Steph Kurt really felt. The fuck is wrong with you? You know who I am? Look at all this shit. Look at your life, look at your lifestyle, look at all this shit. You want attention from other men, who better than me? You know what I'm saying? Like, I told I told Torrean before we was talking about on the phone. There is something about that though, like a woman. F that. The competition within a relationship is is sometimes uh can be to the destruction of your relationship. She's like, oh, he's Steph Curry, he gets all this attention, I'm over here and I get nothing. Like you do have books, you're on talk shows, you are a celebrity now because of who your partner is. It's like you just gotta appreciate that shit, man. Like, she's like, Oh, I had all these goals and all these things I wanted to do. Like, yeah, that may be true, but I think she should have known going on talk shows and saying the shit that she said was gonna come back and land on Steph's plate. And that's not fair to Steph, because all he's doing is trying to provide for his family and give her a better life. So to me, that's a slap in the face of Steph.
Mondo: 21:08
All right, before you go, T, is her perception her reality? Right? Like she has all the stuff, she has no worries at all, but still her truth is I am feeling unfulfilled in something. Is it Steph's responsibility to nurture that unfulfillment? Like you have access to everything in the world, and so you're saying no. But I feel like, isn't that similar to like Will and Jada? Isn't it the same story? Where like they have everything the family, the money, the connections, the uh just the cachet of like you are a Smith or you are a Curry. But they're saying out loud, I'm missing something. So, like, isn't that real? Or are you saying, like, nah, they just gotta self-correct that? They gotta bury that, or they gotta throw that away.
Mackk: 22:06
Um let me ask you this do you think she would leave Steph? No. Then what come on, bro? So I so he gotta hear all the time how you're unfulfilled? Like, either you gotta go seek something on your own and leave him, or to me, bro, you just wasting time. Wasting conversation.
Mondo: 22:32
Okay, so like, all right, so if I'm Aisha Curry, again, this is I wanna ask this the right way. Is Steph supposed to give Aisha some version of the freedom that Will gave Jada? Hell no, man. Because the reality is though, Will and Jada still together. We think. Like, I'm just saying, like, like, whatever it is, it it didn't blow up in a way to where like family is broken, they don't communicate, whatever.
Mackk: 23:07
Like, do we feel like so because they stay married, you think that there's there's no way that their relationship or family's broken just because they're still married? No, I'm not saying that.
Mondo: 23:20
I guess I'm saying if Aisha Curry does not have the freedom or flexibility to go discover this thing that she's missing, if Steph doesn't allow it, does that become the cancer that destroys their family as opposed to all right, babe, I trust you. Let's do this thing. Like, here's enough grace, like try this out. All right, did that work? Nope. Try this out.
Mackk: 23:45
Like is she gonna end up she gonna end up on OnlyFans or Playboy just so men are listening after her for her to be satisfied? That sounds crazy.
Mondo: 23:58
So no, I got you. I honestly don't think the the man, the external men, is the thing. Right? I think it's the thing that she thinks she's seeking, I think it's something else, right? It's a different level of fulfillment that she just hasn't reached yet. But for some reason professionally or career-wise, like what do you mean? Yeah, I don't I don't know her enough to say, but I I recognize who I am, and many times in relationships, I have a great human supporting me, but still historically, I had this lack of fulfillment. Like, man, I need this external connection, this thing. And over and over and over and over, I would fall into the same trap. As I got wiser, and again, this is me infusing God back into the conversation. I was just like, oh, my relationship with Christ wasn't deep enough. And so I recognized it actually had nothing to do with other women. Like, I just wasn't close enough to God to feel fulfilled. So I actually truly feel like Aisha Curry thinks that she's gonna be fulfilled by the men, right, showing her love. But once she even gets that, she's gonna be like, no, that wasn't it either. And so she has to go on this adventure, this exploratory journey to find a better version of herself in Christ. That's just an assumption I'm making because that was my lived experience. But that's why I come at this from the position that I do, because I'm like, to me, she has to have the freedom to go explore that version of herself that she left behind, that she set aside to build her family. How they set it up and how she does it is their prerogative, but I feel like you just have to give her permission to go become a better version of Aisha, or else it's gonna just grow into an internal cancer.
Mackk: 25:50
But this dude Torrean hasn't no, hold on, before he goes, I agree with that. I don't want to make it seem like I don't agree with that, but it it can't be, it has to be, it shouldn't have nothing to do with attention from other men. And when that's that's when I draw the line. Like if you don't go seek and find your your path on your own, that's cool. But it ain't gonna be on no trying to get sexier or just trying to gain unneeded attention from other men. Um I'm not cool with that at all.
Mondo: 26:18
Yeah, I think she's misguided, but I think somebody else might be like, oh, I ain't never tried drugs. Like, let me go on this drug exploration, or I ain't never drank, or I ain't never did whatever, right? Like, like the vice that they think is gonna fulfill that feeling could be a different one. I ain't never gambled, right? And so they then go get that high, and that high is temporary, but eventually they're like, yo, like that's a fleeting high.
Mackk: 26:43
It's actually not that. But I just know my I know me and the fake taking your ring off when a dude comes out with a shirt off. No, no, no, no, no, no. We ain't doing that. We ain't doing on TV too, ain't no way.
Torrean: 26:56
My bad. T go ahead, bro. I'm gonna chime in here. So I think why this conversation is so interesting is I think this is a common feeling amongst a lot of women. And like, you know, like Mondo just said, he had that feeling too. So men can feel that way as well. But I feel like men, I feel like a lot of women feel the way that she does. And um, I think it used to be probably I think when she's on these shows, she's amongst women talking about these topics. So it's not like she's on another dude's podcast and saying these things or whatever else. So she thinks she's her core audience is women, and probably women uh like, oh yeah, I can kind of understand where she's coming from, or I feel that way too, because you know, um, you know, she's a mom of I don't know how many kids they got, I think four or whatever, but it's like, you know, she did have to put her life on pause to be a mom. Now, yeah, Steph has all the attention. Um, you know, he's probably what the second most popular basketball player on the on the planet. Uh, so you know, there's that perspective as well. Matt, hold on, man. Let me finish saying what I'm saying, bro. Go ahead. Uh no, you're gonna tell me I'm capping, but I'm not. But I'm just trying to get right to where I'm where I'm going. But uh, so I think that's I think that's the perspective uh of the whole thing is a lot of women feel this way. Her audience she's talking to are women in in X, Y, and Z. You know, she was on the view doing the thing with her ring when the dude came out. Like that's the audience's women. So with all that being said, if it was me in that position, I'm just like, oh yo, hold up. You you being Steph or you being her? Definitely not me being her. Uh well, I mean, like like feeling this insecurity. Oh, I'm saying, uh, Steph. Like if I'm Steph and he's in this situation, yeah, I think he does know about it, and he's just like, yo, go do your thing, go have the autonomy to do whatever, because I'm secure with who I am. Steph is, you know, close to God or whatever. Um, but I think Aisha's just trying to figure out like what her next lane is. Uh, but if I'm Steph, I'm like, yo, you gotta kind of make some decisions because, yeah, I understand like you're expressing your opinion, your whatever, but you're also putting this shit out on national fucking news and television, which isn't fair to their kids. It's not fair to their family either. Uh, you know, you want to seek more, go ahead. Like, figure out what your lane is now, right? You don't have to worry about failure. Like, what is how can Aisha fail at business or in life? Or she's like, I want to be a career, and go do that now. Like, what is stopping her from becoming the I can't, I don't know her name, but like you checks uh place for the 49ers. Like his his wife basically has become like she just designed clothes on the side for players and like re recalibrates, and now she has a deal with the NFL. So, what's stopping her from doing all That. Like, what's stopping her from going and achieving what she wants to achieve?
Mackk: 30:04
Does she have cookbooks and all that type of shit already, too?
Torrean: 30:06
Oh, I yeah. Well, she did write a book because uh wrote a book. No, I know she's got a book. She's like, so maybe her thing is is yeah, I want to be a media in the media. And so that's why she's like me and more blatantly out there with her with her personal life. So if that's her thing, then then cool. But I'm just saying, like, you I'm just saying your life is your life. And the decisions you make in your life, uh, to her point, what she said is like you don't know what you want. Uh, there's that, but you can't live a life in regret or the what if or trying to keep up with the Joneses or saying, like, oh, she's got this, or I didn't get a chance to do that. What about my life? Because your life is your life, like it's it's too late, you gotta fucking pivot and move the fuck on. Like, and if it pivot, if that pivot is living in the past, then go ahead and live in the past. But we can't go to the future without what you living in the past. I guess that's where I'm at.
Mondo: 31:03
Mondo, you you got something right. Yeah, yeah. Here's something that just kind of showed up for me when you were saying those things. So I think back to our conversation of Dame. And I think about when Dame was like, yo, when I go through hard times, I'm not gonna hide out. I'm gonna say it out loud, I'm gonna be vulnerable in front of the camera, I lost my teeth, I'm broke, I'm whatever, right? And he's just like, I want to be transparent and not just show people when I'm up. So I can then be a guide for other people who might be going through this same challenge. And so now when I think about Aisha Curry, and Torrean said, like, yo, there's probably, I don't want to say millions, but let's just say there's hundreds of thousands of women that are experiencing this challenge, they have no guide, they have no person to like help them navigate and know which way to turn. And so is it fair to say that maybe Aisha Curry doing this in the public eye is the thing that so many other women need as a North Star to be like, all right, like she did this step, she did that step. Like, here's her going through that process of like let me follow her. So then on the other side, she's then fulfilled, and she's like, I'm able to show up for my husband and be a great mom because I went through this season. And then the thing that she's doing or giving back to humanity is helping other married women navigate that season, that midlife crisis, or whatever you want to call it, where like they don't feel as loved as they once did. And so I don't know, bro. I think that there's a huge opportunity for her to become that voice. One, because Steph ain't tripping, maybe. And he's just like, babe, if you need to go say those things out loud, cool, but I know we're gonna get to a successful ending. Like if he just knows that in his heart, he's like, all this stuff that's happening in the middle, it's just you being vulnerable enough to be a guide for other women who are going through the same thing. Because we all know, right there, as a woman in the past or a woman in our current proximity that might feel this way, and we're like, we don't know how to help you, we don't know what you need. But like Aisha might be starting to say these things out loud to one, give us some awareness. She might be like, Man, I wish Steph would do this. So now as partners, we'd be like, all right, shoot, let me try that then. But right now, like we just got our hands up and they got their hands up, and like, don't nobody know. And so I feel like somebody in the space has to be the voice for that. And it might become her.
Torrean: 33:42
So I I no, I do agree with you, I agree with a lot what you said, Mondo, because you know, but I think they just have to have that alignment from the start. Like what happens, happens. Like everything you do has a there's a reaction to it, right? Every action, there's a reaction, there's a casualty that comes out of it. And so, like, you know, in helping other people, is your family able to stay strong? Is your husband secure? Is everything else? Now, the curry brand has it been hurt by this? I don't think so. I don't think anybody ever looks at Steph as less than a man for these conversations. I think men just overreact.
Mackk: 34:16
Go ahead. Go ahead, Mike. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So if she's saying shit like this, you don't think Steph's gonna get a lot more attention? Like she don't deserve you? Like, hey, I already like hey, this is what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about, Captain. You way too calm because when we talked on the phone, this ain't the energy you had, bruh. Like, hey, we gotta do better, man. Like, what are we talking about here?
Mondo: 34:39
Hey, hey, come on, Peter.
Torrean: 34:42
I already said this is a no-fly zone for me. Like, I'm not down with it, but I do think that there is some truth though to this being everything, you know, that that there is truth to this being a common problem amongst amongst women. Yeah, she feels like she is she's in Steph's shadow, right? That's what ultimately the what the issue.
unknown: 35:02
Right.
Mondo: 35:02
Do you not do you not think that maybe it is a collective effort? Because you said Steph's mom was there with her. So like if I'm Steph and I know you're about to go and have this conversation, I'm like, mom, you go with her, make sure this don't go too far left, right? So like Steph might be divorced too. Yeah, so but let's slip it though.
Mackk: 35:21
She does she probably go the same way and she divorced. Nah, that's like what we huh?
Torrean: 35:26
Nah, I was thinking the same thing.
Mackk: 35:28
So I think Aisha's message is cool. Yes, other women can relate to you, but think about somebody who's not Steph and doesn't is like ain't got half of what Steph has. We we in trouble, bro. She got the world and she still ain't satisfied, bro. We ain't got a motherfucking chance. God damn, that's crazy. And also, if you if you want to get out of Steph Curry's shadow, then when you go on TV shows and talk shows, you can be like, hey, I don't want to answer any questions about me and Steph. I just want this to be focused on me and what I'm doing, right? What's wrong with that? Them clicks ain't gonna be there. That attention ain't gonna be there, so it's like, come on, man. I'm sorry, y'all.
Mondo: 36:10
No, this is interesting.
Mackk: 36:12
Go ahead.
Torrean: 36:13
No, I agree. I mean, I agree with you, Mack. Uh, I mean, really, when I first heard it, I'm thinking like the whole beat DMX, like, damn, what do you itch you want from a nigga? You know what I'm saying?
Mackk: 36:22
Like, hey, that's what I'm talking about. There you go. There you go. All right.
Mondo: 36:27
Yeah. Hey Mack, I appreciate you checking T, man. Like, like, get off that, bruh. What you really feel?
Torrean: 36:32
Yeah, straight up. I I think I feel both ways, though, because that's what that's originally what I'm thinking. Like I said, it was it's a no-fly zone for me. You know what I'm saying? But it reminds me of you know, Prince been talking about this for a minute too. And like, then the doves cry. Like, uh, like she's never satisfied. So it's just like, damn, nothing I can do makes you happy or whatever. But I also think that if you just, you know, as as being somebody older now, trying to look at things from all angles and not be angry, it's just um, you know, I think it's a common problem. And that's why I'm gonna do that. Oh, I got I got a deep question. So so here's my here's my two questions. I got a question of I'm gonna pivot this unless you're cool with that, unless you got to ask something.
Mondo: 37:11
But nah, this is kind of important because it might ducktail because you were like reverse it a little bit. So let me just ask this because I think this is important. Do you feel like it's Steph's responsibility to at all, even a little bit, sacrifice more success in the league to cater to his woman? Because if she's feeling like she is hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Mackk: 37:39
I'm gonna take less threes this season.
Mondo: 37:44
Look, here's what I'm tying it to, though, right? I'm tying it to Brady. So Brady was already considered the greatest based on what we understand outside in. The wife was like, yo, babe, you got it all. Like, but as a family, we need you. I'm not feeling fulfilled in this partnership. And Brady said, No, I'm good. I'm gonna need to go play some more football. And so at that point, like, what's more important? The sport or your wife not feeling like she's connected to her husband?
Torrean: 38:13
Well, she cheated on him. So if you're just gonna if you if you're gonna cheat anyway, then I'm gonna lose you anyway. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, but no, Mondo. Absolutely not. Like, okay, not a chance.
Mackk: 38:25
Yeah, what type of person will ask what type of person will ask somebody some? I mean, like, Steph, I really need you. You should probably hang up, or Tom Brady, you should probably hang up your cleats. Like, I don't want you to be happy, focus on me. Like, either way, it's gonna be an imbalance, bro. So that's interesting.
SPEAKER_02: 38:43
Okay, okay.
Torrean: 38:44
Ain't no way. No, she's like, so that's a that was my reverse question, though. Was is uh could papoose, right? Papoose who champions who champions his women, you know, Remy Ma, Clarissa Shields now. Uh, if you were in that papo, could you play that papoose role? And if you are in that papoose role and champion your women, uh then essentially you're Aisha. So like is that a life that you could live and be satisfied with?
Mackk: 39:15
I think he had plenty of success on his own, so it's not like he's just a nobody. But of course, like you should always champion your woman, but it's it's a it's a partnership, like you have to champion each other. But with that being said, Remy Ma cheated on him and went and did her own thing and was talking bad about him, like how he wasn't doing enough compared to her. So I think either way, bruh.
Torrean: 39:39
What I'm saying is, could you could you live that life though? Could you take that role and be papoose? Chico B.
Mackk: 39:47
So look, I'm gonna answer this question, but I'm gonna you about to get raw wave real quick here. You keep going, bruh. You about to start getting the rod wave shit. You feel chill out. Go ahead, Mondo. I didn't mean to interrupt you, bruh.
SPEAKER_05: 40:03
Nah, that's all good.
SPEAKER_02: 40:09
Let's see, Chico be it right now.
Mondo: 40:15
I am uh I'm secure enough in like who I am as a man that like if God's not calling me to adventure, I don't need to be on no adventure. And so I'm not gonna say I'm gonna be Pat Poos just because like that visual doesn't make sense to me. But like Stedman, like playing behind the scene, like I'm gonna just make I'm gonna lift you up and make sure that you're winning. Like, I have no problem just like chilling, kicking back, sitting behind, making sure that like you doing everything that you need to do. This nigga said Stedman. Hey, hey, facts.
Mackk: 40:49
This is our 40 plus audience right here.
Torrean: 40:51
Y'all know Stedman, I was thinking 60 plus, but yeah.
Mondo: 41:03
No, for real, bro. Like, like, is it we've been saying for a long time, right? Like, behind every strong man is a or a successful man is a strong woman. So, like, if that is reverse to Torrean's point, like, can we sit in that role? I feel like Mack, you talk about all the time, like, yo, I have no problem being behind the scenes and uplifting Sadies. And so to me, when I heard him ask about Pat, I was just like, yo, I feel like Mack in his own way already does that. But that doesn't mean Mack cannot go out and win, right? Like and and be the champion. But yo, if if that's supposed to be our role for a season, cool. Which when it comes to Stephan Aisha, it might be like, yo, babe, just hold on. I just got three more years, then you're up next. Right? So, like, hey, babe, just have a little bit more patience, and then like the roles are gonna be reversed. Uh like don't don't pull the trigger too quick. So I think everybody has their time in front.
Torrean: 42:10
No, but I mean I I think it's important to ask that question because you know, um in any relationship, there has to be somebody that sacrifices, you know. So, like for myself, I was a stay-at-home dad. So I was like, I wore that papoose hat for a minute, you know what I'm saying? Or that champion your women, your woman type hat. But then, you know, coming out of that, it's like, okay, well, there's more I want and everything else. And, you know, sometimes it can cause a confliction when you're trying to do your thing now after champion somebody and they're trying to do their thing, you know, it sometimes it could it could cause that, you know, um us versus or me versus you mentality. Like I feel like that's something that you know has happened for sure in my relationship, where it's like, yo, uh, was it your turn to shine or is it my turn to shine? We're both trying to shine together, you know, trying to figure out what that support looks like when somebody was taking a back seat for so long.
Mondo: 43:15
So um, you know, I love I love I love that you just gave yourself the nickname Pat. Like you said, like you said, like I sat in that Pat Pooose role, and I'm like, yeah, bro, you give me Pat.
Torrean: 43:31
If if if motherfuckers look at Pat Poos, they're gonna be like, is that Mondo?
SPEAKER_05: 43:35
Like, come on, bruh.
Mackk: 43:37
Hey, just to be clear, I fuck with Pat Poose though. I ain't gonna lie. I like Yeah, yeah, something about that is disrespectable to me. Even though how he's champion uh Clarissa Shields, like I fuck with him.
Torrean: 43:49
But that's what I'm saying. Like, it's it's one of them things, it's not I'm not dissing them at all, because I do think that uh like like for me, I'm you know, from my aunties to my mama to uh you know my lady, like I love strong women. Like I love that ambitious woman that loves to do whatever, and I fucking hate the the male that's like, oh, you're a woman, you can't do something. Like that's that's trash. You know what I'm saying? I'm I'm ready to fight that motherfucker for real. Like anytime. So it's um it's just one of those things where I think like, you know, that's what I'm saying, like in the Aisha role, because like this is my part that I was gonna switch it, is like, yo, we're very vulnerable on this podcast. Like we say things or whatever, and so you know, we say things that are vulnerable that could have repercussions in our own in our own personal lives for airing out our business. So it's like, is there any difference between what we're doing, what Aisha did? Although, you know, obviously her her husband is uh very, you know, a lot more popular than we are. But I guess that's just kind of my perspective, man. I'm uh, you know, I I'm never I'm never gonna understand uh a woman's perspective on certain things. And like this is this is one of them because I I believe in you should be uh appreciative of the life that God gives you, and you just gotta figure out how to pivot and figure out how to I won't say suppress those feelings, but you know, take those feelings and apply it to your life now and not look at the past like, oh, I should have done this, I should have done that, because that's just a deep rabbit hole that's really hard to get out of.
Mondo: 45:25
But um I gotta, I gotta, I gotta ask a reminder question because maybe I'm tripping. Because as I'm hearing us talk about this, I'm reflecting on the conversation we had about prioritizing, right? Like wife, kids, such and such. And so you said to have a successful marriage, I think we all said this, that we do believe that it's true that your wife has to be at the top, no matter what. So, in what ways is Steph's job taking precedent over his wife? Because based on what we're talking about, we're saying, like, whether Steph or Brady or whatever, like your wife is feeling a certain kind of way. And if you're not putting her first, is it your responsibility as the man to make sure that she's good? Because what I'm hearing is you gotta go figure that out. But then on the last pod or a previous pod, it's just like, no, we gotta put our women first, we gotta put our wives first.
Torrean: 46:23
Yeah, so that conversation was strictly about the household. So that conversation didn't it didn't factor in a career. So if you want to talk about, if you want to factor in that career aspect of things though, then yeah, it's that's a real conversation. So maybe it's career first, wife first, then kids, or however, that's a decision they probably made a long time ago. Like, yo, we gotta put it.
Mondo: 46:47
Okay, so let's ask you then. You or you, Mack, like what comes first? Does career come above your wife, or does your wife go above career?
Torrean: 46:55
No, I mean, I've always put my career last before even, you know, Rainy. Like, that's just how it's been. There's been meetings, you know, stay-at-home dad trying to start a business where there's meetings I could not take or would would have, and I had to cancel them, just had to do it two weeks ago, right? We had a schedule conflict, I had a very important meeting, had to push it back. Luckily, I was able to push it back, but that caused me to work until midnight that night. So But that's what I'm saying, right? But that's me, but but that's me. But at the same time, shit, Steph Curry out here making a hundred million dollars a year or whatever he's making with endorsements, and maybe that's their their priority, you know. Like John Cena flat out said, I'm not gonna get married or have kids because I love my career too much. So I'm just saying that that's a decision that they probably made, or whatever, or if it's like, hey, this is a limited time window thing, right? My career is limited time, because it is. He's got 20 damn years or 20 to 25 years to play basketball. That's it. Like you can't play it after the fact. So if that's the decision, but what does that matter though? I guess what I'm saying is what I'm saying is like that's their livelihood. So where are you supposed to go?
Mondo: 48:07
Be broke or or say, hey, like yo, I I retire now and now I'm just gonna be broke. Like that's not the like the trophy obligations.
Mackk: 48:17
He's still gonna have obligations and shit he gotta fulfill, though, Mondo. Even if he were to retire today, he's still gonna be gone, he's still gonna be Steph Curry. So I don't know if that solves the issue.
Mondo: 48:26
So that's where I'm like, I'm like, I feel like that's cap. Because I feel like if it comes to our daughters, and our daughters is feeling a certain way, or our daughters aren't as healthy, we like fuck this NBA. Like, I throw all this shit away to go be present to make sure that our daughters are fulfilled. And so now if we contrast that with Aisha Curry and a wife, her not being fulfilled, her not feeling love, her not getting the thing, and we're saying no, we gotta put career first, then I feel like we're not leading in the way that we said we would in like putting our partner first.
Mackk: 49:03
So Steph Curry retired from the NBA. I still don't think she's gonna be fulfilled, bro.
unknown: 49:10
Okay.
Torrean: 49:11
Yeah, I mean, and I just think it's a decision that was made prior to. It's not like this just came up like, oh, your career's taking all this. Like, you know who the fuck you are. I was when I married you. Like you knew I was on this.
Mackk: 49:24
She thought he was gonna be a high school basketball coach. Yeah, so she is. That's what she said. I didn't expect this lifestyle. Uh he said he was gonna be a high school basketball coach.
Torrean: 49:36
Uh so she didn't believe in the nigga, I guess. I guess that's what you say.
Mackk: 49:40
Hey, that's not that's her word, not mine.
Torrean: 49:42
Damn. However, you want to take it. No, that's that's kind of wild too. I mean, that's oh man.
Mondo: 49:52
I mean, yeah, yeah, there's something, there's something deep about that. So she's experiencing a life that is goes far beyond what she expected. Yes. Right? Like she's living the life that she wanted to live through somebody else, right? All the success, all the whatever. And I feel like there's a certain, this is where I bring God back into it. I feel like when you have that close relationship with God, God reveals to you the reason why those blessings are happening for that other person is because you surrendered to this role. Like the way that this is just what I choose to believe. I don't have no evidence, but I'm like, grandma surrendered, right? Like, I'm gonna just do whatever I need to do for the family. And if you go to my pops, everybody said he should have been in the league, right? Just talent-wise, he surrendered. Okay, so then I had all the gifts that I could ever want. Like all this boys had all the gifts, and then I got to an intersection of my life, like, oh, I can go to the moon or I could surrender, then I surrendered. And so I feel like because the surrender keeps happening, the next person gets a piece of the pot of gold.
unknown: 50:59
Right?
Mondo: 50:59
So now I just feel like cadence is gonna win in life no matter what, because like I didn't take all the juice. And the reason why I say that is because everybody that reaches the pinnacle, whether it's a Jordan or LeBron or a Gates or whatever, like when they exhaust all the juice, like whoever's up next, like they they gotta like restart. Like there ain't no elite legend whose kid or whose partner steps in and they're just as elite. Like it just doesn't happen. And so I feel like this is my own belief that if you prematurely surrender and you're just like, cool, like I don't need any more of those accolades. Like, God, like give these blessings to whoever's up next or whoever needs them, like in the family. I just feel like that's a surrender that should or could happen. And so right now I feel like Steph Curry could go shoot more threes, win another ring, whatever. But like, what is that really gonna do to his legacy if his wife is unfulfilled? And so I'm not saying Steph needs to retire. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, is he willing? Is he willing to be like, yo, fuck the extra workouts, let me chill on these extra endorsements, let me be still and not travel as much, and let me just show up and like do my best to fulfill my wife. Is he willing to do those things? I have no idea, but I think the willingness to do it is key.
Torrean: 52:28
Yeah, I just think it, I just think it comes down to uh, I mean, if you want to talk about elite, you could take Barack and Michelle Obama, and people will say, well, um, Michelle would definitely win the presidency if that's what she wanted. And she's just like, no, that's not the light that I want. I never wanted, you know, she isn't somebody else that said I didn't want him to run for president because I didn't want that light, but that's a conversation that they had. He chose differently, or whatever. But um, I'm just saying that's an example of two people that could have been elite and you know, or elite, because I believe Michelle is elite and definitely in her own lane. Like, I mean, especially amongst women, shit, she's probably more popular than Barack almost. Not in the world, but I'm just saying, like, in terms of likability, for sure, she carries that. So I just think it comes down to what is it that you want? And that's why I say you always gotta just try to figure out what it is you want and look forward or look forward in life. Like, feel be secure, try to figure out that security within you. Like, if it's if it's God that's gonna give it to you, or if it's uh something else that you feel like you need, you gotta get that security within yourself and then be able to say, hey, I'm gonna move forward by doing X, Y, and Z. And like, you know, what's the expectations? Oh, I gotta reach fame. Like, fuck fame, man. Fame ain't shit. Like, fame ain't the expectation. Expectation is your your ultimate joy. And we talked about this too recently, Mondo. It's like the joy, you know, joy comes from the inside, it comes from you. Can't nobody else give you joy. Like, that starts with you. That starts with being secure in yourself. So that's just where I feel like it's a situation where, like, you know, I'm not even talking about her anymore. I'm just talking about anybody in general. It's like, you know, you feel secure with yourself, you give it your all, or you give it what you want, and you know, there's no level of expectation. Like, what's the level of expectation? There is none. Because it's ultimately your life. Like, it's not about proving anything to anybody else.
Mondo: 54:29
No, you're right. I mean, one of the things you talked about, joy, I think, is subspot on, right? And like discovering that joy is transformative. I'm not married, so I don't understand what it's like to say a vow out loud to say that.
Torrean: 54:43
But you glowing.
Mondo: 54:46
I don't know what it's like to say a vow out loud and for two to become one, right? Because that's the language, right? And so if two becomes one, if part of that one is feeling that way, can the other one actually feel true joy? So that's kind of where I'm just like, yo, if the expectations when you become married is to move as one, if the other side of the coin feels the way Aisha does, there's no way that the flip side can feel joy. At least that's how I'm like logically making sense of it. So for both parties to like move in unison and feel joy, I feel like Steph has to do everything within his power to like help her fill his cup. Even if that means like giving her more freedom to go do something. It might not be like hopping on her shoulder and be like, let's do everything together. It might be like, all right, like let me extend this, and I don't want to say leash as if she's a dog, but like, let me extend this freedom, right, for you to go explore and find yourself because I need you to feel fulfilled. Because if you're not, I cannot experience the joy because we're one. Like, that's what logically makes sense. But yo, I would love for whoever's listening, like chime in, put in the comments. Like, I think this is a topic that like really could like use some more perspective, especially from people who like have been married for a long time to be able to share. Like, yo, we've been through this season before. And here's some best practices, or here's how we got through it. So, like, this is this is a dope conversation.
Torrean: 56:18
Yeah, so Mack, I'm gonna put this on you because you you got in a relationship at a very young age. So I feel like your perspective is super key, you know, super important. Like I know we talk all the time about how things you were doing before you were 18, uh, with Mondo and I, but uh um but it's like being married or you know, being in a relationship at a super young age, do you get those moments where you're like, man, I wish my life could be different, or I never got to experience these things, or or whatever?
Mackk: 56:56
Like, do you ever get those? I mean, I think about it, but I don't think anything I would have done by myself would equal to the joy and happiness that God has blessed me with with my family and my kids. Like, I was thinking about this the other day, like, yeah, I was young, started a relationship, young, had kids young. So I'ma still have time to explore and do me on the back end. You know what I'm saying? I just made sacrifices early. So it's not I don't really feel like I missed out on anything. I think I think I'm blessed. I think that I'm just I'm just my family brings me the most joy. So I don't I can't regret or want anything else than what I have right now. But I do want to go back, Mondo, you mentioned LeBron James. Shout out to Savannah. She's cold. She's the one wife who just does her and keeps her mouth closed, bro. Straight up.
Mondo: 57:54
Okay, so Savannah is the same.
Torrean: 57:57
I need a Savannah.
Mondo: 57:58
Straight up.
Torrean: 57:59
So Mack, what you're saying is you want your you want your woman to shut up and dribble. Is that what I'm hearing? Dang.
Mackk: 58:07
She's not shut up and dribble. I just know feelings are temporary. But when you go, when you go out and say something like this in the public, it's gonna last forever. Like I did see she posted the pictures with her family, like a photo dump of her family and Steph and all that. And the comments weren't pretty. It's like, oh, now you want your family. Steph needs to leave you. So it's like those temporary feelings, bro. Sometimes you might just gotta watch what you're saying at that moment, even though you might be feeling away. Like sometimes, like, it's not always gonna be beneficial for you to always just spill your truth right away, because like you say, your family, your husband, everybody else gonna have to deal with it. So so there's a line. I don't I don't there's a line. I don't believe Aisha's really an unhappy person. I don't believe that. I think she might have her moments, and that's all it is, but that's just me.
Mondo: 58:56
So So you feel like her sharing her truth is okay. She just shouldn't have done it in public that way. Yes. If she would have written it in a book, would that have any crossing a line? No. No? Okay, so it's just literally publicly saying in interview style, but okay.
Mackk: 59:17
It's kind of like it's like the it's like the betrayal conversation we had the other day. Like Steph, if he didn't know that she was gonna do this, he probably felt a little betrayed. Like, hold up. We were good last night or last week. I didn't know, you know what I'm saying?
Torrean: 59:31
So but what if he's a hundred percent cool with it? He's like, hey, go tell them more. Go tell them about our sex life.
SPEAKER_00: 59:40
I would too. I'd be like, oh man, I don't give a fuck what you talking about, bro.
Mackk: 59:44
Go ahead. But yeah, I don't think I mean Steph seems like a cool dude. I don't think he's really tripping.
Mondo: 59:53
Yeah, no, I feel you. Like, I ain't tripping. And also, I feel like sometimes when you say things out loud like that. But you'll get the attention. And now you asking for the smoke. Now can you handle the smoke? Now, when that one person comes around or the hundred people come around in your inbox, are you willing to blow up your marriage to go get that attention? And so it'll be interesting to see like how disciplined she is now that that attention's about to be there. Or yeah, you know, I guess this is old, right?
Mackk: 1:00:24
So like not really. The one I seen was just 21 hours ago, but I like I wouldn't like to know like what that looks like. Because now she's probably crying like everybody hates me. I know this is why I can't, you know what I'm saying? Steph's probably just dealing with it all. And it really is unfair to him because all he's doing is living in his purpose and living his life.
Mondo: 1:00:44
But is his purpose to serve his wife, or is his purpose to make bread in the NBA?
Mackk: 1:00:51
Man, this is why Jesus never had a woman, never got married, because if it was up to a woman, Jesus wouldn't have been doing these miracles, bro. We wouldn't have he we wouldn't have none of this. You know what I'm saying? It's like Steph Curry influences kids, keep kids off the streets. Man, come on, bro. We ain't doing that.
unknown: 1:01:06
Come on.
Mondo: 1:01:07
Come on, T. Come on, T. I need you, I need you to like shoot rapid fire real quick, bro, because you got some words.
Torrean: 1:01:15
I mean, where I'm at, I guess where I'm at is is I was listening to Lil' John talk yesterday, right? He was talking about how I gotta finish that. Don't don't spoil it for me. Yeah, how he's helping people without even knowing he's helping people. And so to the point Mondo made earlier, it's like, yo, maybe Aisha is keeping keeping ladies off the streets by at least expressing her truth and saying, yo, like lady, what you're feeling right now is common. You ain't the only one, and that's whatever. So that's all I'm saying. Is like more bitches on the street.
SPEAKER_00: 1:01:49
They're gonna be like, yeah, my this dude ain't why am I dealing with this? Like, all right.
Mackk: 1:01:55
Go and be the independent woman if you want to. You're gonna be the old lady with a fucking hairy cardigan and a cat.
Torrean: 1:02:03
Nah, I feel that. And that's where I'm like, and that's where I'm saying is like uh I think if it's a decision, if they both make the decision, it's like, hey, I'm cool with what I'm cool with it, then that's a risk. Right? I think that's a risk because now, like you say, you're you're opening up the floodgates. And so it's like, you know, trying to navigate those floodgates. But um, you know, I don't know. I I couldn't, it's a no-fly zone for me, like, you know, in um, but I do think it's a common issue that that women have. Um, men might have it when they get older, and that's why we have mid-life crisis or whatever. But, you know, I just think that having that security within yourselves, because we talk about joy, and I just reference our grandma in um and saying, like, yo, she sacrificed a lot, had had six kids, uh, you know, after our grandfather passed, did it on her own, strongest woman on the damn planet. They all lived successful lives. Um, but with that being said, it's like her joy came from seeing the kids or having breakfast or seeing the family that just stops I and pops on up on her. Now, at 80 something years old, uh not to put her age out there, does she have things that she probably would have wish she would have done or different in her life? Probably, yeah. She probably does, but it doesn't hold her back from experiencing that joy because she found that in her family. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you gotta really find out what what that is inside of you. I just think that's really important to say, like, hey, this is what this is this is my purpose. Like all the other shit is just some flu gazy nonsense, you know, shit's all bullshit.
Mondo: 1:03:42
But I feel like you just uh you spit some some real fire, T. I have a question to that, to you two. We love our family, we want to keep our family, right? Like we understand that family is the most important, as you were just saying, T. Like we had a model in grammar. Do you believe that you are responsible as a man to say those feelings out loud if you feel your version of Aisha? Like, is it like, babe, I'm never going to leave you? I need to say that first. But right now, I'm feeling XYZ. Are you supposed to say that out loud or are you just supposed to carry it and hide it?
Mackk: 1:04:33
It's interesting you asked that question. I was just sitting here thinking, like, I don't think we've ever seen a man publicly be that vulnerable or feel the need to go and say something like I used to say it. Like, I don't think we've ever seen it. Um But what what was your question? Would I be comfortable saying that to my partner?
Mondo: 1:04:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause like, because essentially you're introducing some insecurity. Like you already are feeling this kind of way, and so your partner, your wife, like it's a random Thursday, and you're like, babe, I need to tell you this thing. Is it best to say it out loud and create that discomfort in the home to get through it? Or are you supposed to go say it in therapy or talk to your boys at the barber shop, right? Like, is it our responsibility to be vulnerable and say that thing out loud, knowing that it's gonna cause some angst in our in our relationship?
Mackk: 1:05:27
One one one thousand percent. I'm an open communicator with my woman, so no, I am too.
Torrean: 1:05:33
And I think like uh, you know, I don't know, man. I've been doing a lot of reflect of reflecting lately, and it's like, you know, you take happiness and it's just like yo, happiness is subjective. Like when things are going well, uh you're happy. When there's no adversity, you're happy. And then you add adverse situations in here or whatever, and you're like, oh man, I'm just not happy. And so I think like happiness is a it's subjective, it's a it's a mirage. And I think when we talk about that ultimate joy, it's like yo, I got shit in my life I never ever thought I would have. Like I didn't have, you know, I didn't have a family growing up. Like, you know, my mom did, uh my mom was a single mom. My dad was swooping on the weekends, and then, you know, but they those two, you know, I would just say prioritize themselves for the most part. And it's like, you know, because they were they were young when they had me, they, you know, uh, they may not, there might have been things that they felt like they needed to go out and do for themselves, maybe to be the best parent or whatever, right? But, you know, that put me in a situation where I'm like, all right, well, I got more than I ever thought I would fucking, you know, that I could ask for. Like, I always had big dreams. I thought I'd be further in life than I am right now. Uh, you know, I thought I'd be millionaire at, I mean, I have this book I wrote in college that was like, yo, what's your life look like? Like, I wanted to be the president one day and be the youngest president. Like, that was just like where my my mindset is and and everything else. But this was pre-social media, like there's no fucking way I'd want to be president uh now in a in a in a society nowadays. But I'm just saying, like, you know, I thought I was gonna be that young millionaire out here, and that's what I wanted. Um, but you know, still work in progress on that, on that tip, but uh I'm not doing too bad. You know what I'm saying? And I think it just comes down to really saying, like, yo, I found joy in my family. Like, I never had that family. And I ask for I find joy every damn day, knowing like, man, I have a family and I have a house, and I have to not want for food. I don't have to go to the food shelves like me and my mom did. I don't have to, you know, I'm not angry anymore. And so it's like really being uh really being appreciative of the life that like you know, like you get dealt cards in life and you play them, and like let's just say this is my poker hand for today and where I'm at right now. Let's say it's a straight. Like I'm fucking straight, you know, and like that makes me that gives me joy.
Mondo: 1:08:19
Oh, you need to end it right there. You need to end it right there. You might as well. That right there was to wrap it up, bro. So go ahead and from Mondo, aka OG 3000.
SPEAKER_05: 1:08:33
Okay, and Mack always keep it a buck, Phillips.
Torrean: 1:08:40
I'm Tori at aka daddy.