No Regrets

Mack, Mondo, and Torrean look back on young love, early fatherhood, faith, and the many lessons that made them men. The laughs are loud, the honesty runs deep, and the message is simple — everything that happened, happened for a reason. No regrets.

Transcript

Torrean: 0:01

Welcome to another episode of the They Call Me Daddy Appearance podcast. My name is Torrean. Let me introduce my co-host. We got Mack, aka the Stud Killer. And we got Mondo, aka IB Frollicking. Once again, I'm Daddy, aka Torrean. Let's go with it. How y'all fell feeling today?

Mondo: 0:22

I ain't know you had a new nickname, Mack. What's up? What's happening? We are not getting into that. Torrean is just ignorant.

Mackk: 0:30

Stud killer is crazy.

Torrean: 0:31

Stud killer out here, boy. I'm telling you. All the studs, you know, he is in a relationship, but you know. Anyway, stop it, bro.

Mackk: 0:42

What's up with y'all, man? How y'all feeling?

Mondo: 0:45

I'm feeling good, bruh. Man, it's uh as y'all keep saying, I'm frolicking. I be trying to tell y'all like I'm surfing. I ain't frolicking, but hey, man, like let's get some good energy going today, bruh. Let's have a good conversation. Like, let's start, let's start this week off right.

Torrean: 1:03

Yeah, for sure. I would say like when we record, this is by far the best time of my life. Like, straight up, man. I get to talk to the two people the closest to me, and um, I love it. So, yeah, I'm just really excited for for today's conversation. We're gonna kind of improvise a little bit today. So it's gonna be like lighthearted, you know. Maybe might get serious, might, you know, try to laugh for sure. But um, we're gonna have a good time with it. So that's how I'm feeling today, man. I'm just really excited to enjoy the next hour, hour and a half, three hours, however long this motherfucking conversation is. And uh, let's go with it. So how you feeling today, Mike?

Mackk: 1:44

Man, I'm feeling good, bro. Like I said, every day's a blessing, man. My kids are healthy, our family's healthy, ain't got no bad news in a while. So I'm grateful, man. I'm blessed, I'm chilling. Yeah, for sure.

Torrean: 1:55

So, Mack, how long you uh what age did you decide I'm gonna settle down?

Mackk: 2:00

Ooh. That's a good one. Uh I'ma say for sure it was cemented once Mack was born. Because once I had Mack, man, I had to set an example, you know, like, and man, he was just my heart, man. And then like it seemed like every time me and Cedess was in a rough, a rough patch or something. Rough. Well, here goes. Yeah, Mack, Mack would hey, it's funny you bring up that stuff at Grandpa's house. When you said I was over there, I moved out, I had a TV or something. What what what happened? That shit's funny every time you bring it up.

Torrean: 2:38

All right. So you know, Mack and Cedess decided to, you know, kind of uh settle down, move in with each other, whatever. Super early.

Mackk: 2:46

What was that? 20? I was 20.

Torrean: 2:47

Yeah, like me and Cedess, we didn't get along at the time. So I have gone like a minute without even seeing Mack. And so I went to our grandma's crib, and all of a sudden, like there's a knock on the front door, and I see like this big ass TV in grandma's room, in grandma's living room or dining room, and it's just on the floor. And I'm like, what is this? Grandma, she's like, Oh, that's Mack's. And I'm like, okay, like, why is it here? Like, I'm just confused in my head. So I hear a knock on the front door. Mack comes in with some garbage bags and stuff, moving stuff out, and I'm like, yo, what is going on, man? Like, and so at the time I hadn't talked to Mack for a minute, so I was like, hey man, you straight. He was like, Yeah, I'm good. You know, like one of them just like, I'm going through it with my lady right now and stuff like that. So it's kind of funny how you brought up Mack, because I remember the first time I met Mack, man, you know where it was at TJ Maxx, bro. I don't know if you remember that.

SPEAKER_03: 3:43

That is crazy.

Torrean: 3:44

It was me and little C Dell was at or C Dale were at uh at TJ Maxx in Roseville, and you came through because like I said, it was kind of a little tension. I don't think it was between me and you, but for sure between me and Cedess and and um at the time, and you know, obviously we passed all that, but it's just real interesting how like that was the first time I met Mack. I'm like, yo, I met my nephew in the damn store shopping, you know, you know what I'm saying? And I've probably only seen him like five or six times since then, but it's all good. Yeah, so so we settled in real young. That was a joke, but anyway, go ahead.

Mackk: 4:18

No, you good. But you know, when you're young, you know, tensions rise and stuff, so we were a little bit more wild back then, but over time, of course, it eases and gets a little bit easier. But back then, I was a hot head. I probably said a few FUs and got my shit and got up out of there, but you know, it was a little complicated when you're younger, you know.

Mondo: 4:42

Let's let's talk about this for a little bit because I'm curious from your guys' perspective, what are some no-nos, don't do's, or what are some best practices, or what are some stories about living together? Because like it's a big difference between like, hey, we dating, we separate, like, all right, bye, babe, see you in a few days, versus we gotta come home to each other every night.

Mackk: 5:05

Yeah, I think when we're when you're when we were younger, oh bro, it was a lot worse because you don't really have that trust or you're not mature enough to be like, oh, if he's not answering my calls or he's not here, you for real gotta have some trust. And back then, we ain't have it, you know what I'm saying? Especially when, you know, we was we was hot, we was outside. So rightfully so, she you know, I started off our relationship, not in the best headspace. I was still trying to do me a little bit. But now, as I we got older, of course it gets easier, bro. It's like you mature a little bit, you know, to pick your battles wisely. But back then, phone blowing up.

Mondo: 5:48

So, okay, so is it the same the other way around? Did you feel like you ever had to question how much you trusted Cedess?

Mackk: 5:57

No. But if I did, I'd never mention it to her. She'll just come home and I'll just be cold-shoulder. And you said you was gonna be home two hours ago where you was at, but I never mentioned it just because like I feel like that's kind of weak. I don't know.

Torrean: 6:15

That's interesting. Yeah, that young that young love is different, man, for sure, because it's one of those things where you're trying to figure out what exactly is going on. Like, I remember I used to always kind of have this thing where I'm like told people, like, you gotta go live with them. Like, people would jump into marriage and like you know, get married before they live together, and then once they get married, that's when they move in. I just always seem backwards because I'm like, yo, living with somebody is entirely different than actually, you know, uh, you know, just being together. Like everything changes. I feel like, you know, uh women like things their particular way. Um, I'm sure we have our own things that we're feel really strong about, but it's different. So um, yeah, that young love is just it's different, you know. Y'all two were younger parents than I was. So y'all were real young parents. Like, what is that like? Like you found out you got a kid on the way. Like, what is the what is the feeling? Or what was the feeling?

Mackk: 7:17

How old were you when you had Cadence, Mondo?

Torrean: 7:20

21.

Mackk: 7:21

Oh, so we're the same age. We're close. Okay.

Mondo: 7:24

Yeah, so I was oh, go ahead. So Brittany got pregnant essentially like the first day she moved down to Florida. I was in college at FAMU, and you know, go through that pregnancy experience while she was down there. But similar to what Mack was saying, there were some reservations and some concerns around trust because of my behavior at the time. And she ended up saying, like, yo, I'm out of here. I'm moving back uh to Minnesota. And for me, it was ain't no way Cadence is going to be born in Minnesota, and I'm gonna stay down here in Tallahassee and do school. So the biggest thing for me was like, yo, I got to get back, I gotta find some type of plan forward to one, be a good dad, but two, also not just throw my dreams in the trash. Like, how can I still chase the things that I have to chase so I don't lose my identity, but also make sure that I'm as good of a dad as I can be. And so it was definitely a mixed bag of responsibilities. Uh, but clearly, fast forward 18 years later, I feel good about it.

Mackk: 8:33

Were you when you first found out she was pregnant, what was that feeling though? Were you nervous? Were you excited?

Mondo: 8:40

Uh I had always said I didn't mind being a young dad because at 40, here I am now, right? Like, you know, I'm still a young whippersnapper, can be outside doing all the things, right? Uh, even though the way God is unfolding this story, uh what I thought my life was gonna look like is starting to look a little different. So again, like we talked about last pie, you know, man. Your plan, your plan versus my plan, God's like, yo, your plan ain't never gonna work, bro.

Mackk: 9:17

Yeah, I just I just I just say something that said, if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans. Right, bro.

Torrean: 9:24

Yeah. Now that's a we could we can go there in a little bit if you want to. I just told Mondo, man, I'm struggling to follow God's plan right now, so this is kind of funny. But uh when Mondo first told me about Cadence or Bobby and you know Britney was pregnant, I remember he was like, one poke, one stroke, now I got a kid on the way. And I'm like, damn, dude, that is some crazy, crazy stuff. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's that's pretty heavy. One poke, one stroke. What? Yo, it was just one and done. Like, one and done. Yeah. Like it was like a hole in one, I guess that's what you call it. That's why Mondo always talks about his golf game.

Mondo: 10:08

Oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? And and and just so everybody knows, it wasn't long after that. I was like, it's time to get snipped.

Mackk: 10:18

And so I was about to, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, bro. That's crazy. But yeah, when Cedess first told me she was pregnant, bruh, like I was a little nervous, but then again, I wasn't. But I was more concerned about her because her her parents were a little more strict than mine were, was. So like I couldn't even imagine like what she was gonna tell her mom or tell her dad. Like, I think she went the longest without telling them. I think I don't even think she told her dad. I think her dad just kind of like noticed, like, like, what are you pregnant? I think he just asked her, and I think I was it was like a at a Thanksgiving dinner or something. But but yeah, I I know that she was more nervous, so that's what made I was more concerned about her than concerned about myself because I'm like Mondo, like I don't I didn't mind being a young dad. Like, I was actually looking forward to it.

Torrean: 11:11

But yeah, yeah, at the time, man, we was all out there, right? Um, it was all out there. I think it's pretty amazing that the three of us, you know, have kids by the same mom. Like none of us have multiple baby mothers or anything like that. That's definitely not how we grew up. That's not the experience we see we seen growing up, but I feel like that's pretty amazing. Like, is there something that happened in childhood or whatever that might have just been like, yo, I know this is my path, you know, this is my path, this is what this is what I want, or was that something that just happened to that had just happened to happen that way?

Mackk: 11:47

Or like oh go ahead.

Mondo: 11:50

I knew for sure I always only wanted one kid. Like the capacity, the responsibility to go all in on being a parent, I just knew given the things that I wanted to do in life, I couldn't split time knowing I got two kids in sports or two kids that got activities or two kids that's crying. Like, you know, I knew I just had capacity for one. And just reflecting and being like, all right, if I go all in on being the best that dad that I can for this one kid, what is gonna be the outcome of that? And so like I knew immediately, like, oh yeah, it's a wrap. Ain't no more kids coming. And then, you know, when you have that first kid, you're everybody thinks that their kid's the dopest, right? Like, yo, this is the best kid out. And so honestly, uh, subconsciously or consciously, I'm like, I don't think a second kid could be as fired, right? And and Mack, you have a different experience because you got four boys and you love them all the same, even though I hear Torrean disagrees, but it's the same thing that my dad says, like, I love all my boys the same. But for me, I was really like, it would be hard for me to experience a connection as dope as I have with Cadence with another kid. And so uh at the time I just knew I only needed one.

Mackk: 13:17

No, that's real. I uh I never really thought about how many kids I would end up having. All I knew is my pullout game was trash. And I enjoyed making them motherfuckers, man. That's all I'm gonna say. But like, yeah, man, it's just crazy because I don't think she intended we intended to have four boys, bro. It's just it's all God's plan, bro. We had them young to your point, Mondo. Now we get to kick it. Max, you know, a little older. So yeah, man, I'm I'm grateful that and I think we're done now. I ain't getting snipped or nothing crazy, but I don't know if it's crazy, bro, but it's efficient. Oh, it's crazy.

Torrean: 14:05

Oh, it's crazy. Nah, for sure, Mack. I think y'all do need at least two more. Like, yeah, relax. Why? Nah, y'all need two more, man. Like, I feel like it's just not done. Like the story is just not complete yet.

Mondo: 14:20

This brother just said, hey, the nuts that you shooting ain't done, bro. Yoshi telling you. Mack, you need to go to work, bro. That's crazy.

Torrean: 14:31

Yeah, you need to get back to enjoying what you do best. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey.

Mackk: 14:36

Nah, man, that's crazy. I don't think we're just not in the space for that right now. I think that having kids so young, you invest so much into them, like eventually you have to get back to investing into yourself. And without us having like to change diapers and all that all the time, like it's getting a little smoother. So I think we're just enjoying investing a little bit more into ourselves at this point.

Torrean: 15:00

So I remember the Martin, the Martin episode with uh when he's planning to propose to Gina, and he goes, Like, I don't know if I'm ready yet. He was going through all these like things that men feel like right now it's not the right time. I don't have the perfect, I don't have the right crib, I don't have the right job, I don't have all my ducks in a row. And uh the guy's advice to him was just like an old head in the in the show. He was like an old fool. An old fool was once a young fool. He was like, think about it. And so when I hear you say, like, we're not in the right, it's not the right time, like, was it ever the right time?

unknown: 15:35

Right?

Torrean: 15:35

Like when you were young, 21 hadn't had one, that for sure wasn't the right time. So to hear you say, like, man, we're just not in the right space, I'm gonna say that's cap a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

Mondo: 15:47

Like, yeah, I feel like Torrean be giving the wisest advice, but when it when it's up to him, he be dodging that bad boy like Barry Sanders, boy. You ain't lying.

Torrean: 16:02

Hey. Hey, it's just something to think about, you know what I'm saying?

Mackk: 16:06

So so let's flip it on you.

Torrean: 16:09

How old were you when you had Rainy T? Well, I was 32, so it's a lot different experience, you know, a lot different experience. But I at the time I didn't, you know, Ricky wanted you know, a baby before I did, you know.

Mondo: 16:24

Um why did you want to wait so long? Not that 32 is long, but like we starting at 21, so yeah.

Mackk: 16:34

You ever went to war and you had a gun that ain't worked?

Torrean: 16:39

It's all good. It's all good.

Mackk: 16:41

I always start with it. He over here like Pacero, Pacero.

Torrean: 16:52

Hey, I always said I was the I was a nigga in the Harlem Knights with the gun. Like, you know, shooting like boom, like that was me. Like I was I was shooting blanks out here for sure. So that's what it was. You know what I'm saying? Like I ain't, you know, I'm not a I'm not a strap up type dude, or it never was, but man, it was just shooting blanks. So it, you know, um, it was more so one of the things when happened, it happened. But I wasn't in a rush to to like make it happen because uh, you know, right place, right time. You want to have all the the ducks in a row, all those things. You know, were y'all intentionally trying when she got pregnant? Yeah, at the time we were, and that was you know, you feel like a use and abuse.

Mackk: 17:31

Like I felt like uh I was always curious what that felt like, like when you're intentionally trying. Like, is the passion still there? Is it still as exciting? Or is it like, all right, we gotta go again in an hour?

Torrean: 17:45

Yeah, you know, you know how Rick James said, use and abuse me. Like that's what it was like, man. Uh but yeah, it'd be like, yo, we gotta go do it right now because it's the right time and it's all this shit. And it's like, uh right, cool, you know, but it was like, eh, you know, it was. I mean, I guess as a man, you ain't complaining, but you know, at the time you kind of like, man, you just feel, you know, you just feel a little used a little bit. So, but you know, it happened. Um, I actually looked at the date not too long ago. It was April 6, 2016, and we found out. So, um, because it was a twins home opener that day. And so we weren't on our way to the game, and she took a test before we went there, and we found out like right away. So was that joy? Was that oh yeah, I was excited as hell. Excited, you know, excited for what the future would would, you know, would would come, would bring. You know, um, you know, we had another one on the way, had a miscarriage later on, so that always like really something that really bothered me. Um, because you know, I've always wanted another kid, but it just wasn't in the picture for us. So it's all good. All right, so let me ask y'all fellas a question, man. If the old you, let's say the young you could go back and you know, look at your life now, what would it say to you? Like what advice would it give to you?

Mondo: 19:10

So you're saying a young me, a young Mondo pulls out and advising me as an older me. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild A young me probably be like, hey boy. You need you need to go turn your like assassin gene back on. Like there was a competitive spirit that, you know, more Kobe-esque, Jordan-esque, Tiger-esque, like hustle. Uh and then now I'm like in a flow state. And so the younger me would be arguing me about why I need to hustle, and I'd be arguing him about like why he needs to understand flow state, and probably the right balance is somewhere in the middle. So that's what we would be talking about, I imagine. Yeah, what about you, Mack?

Mackk: 20:22

That's a good question. Um, I don't know, man. It would probably be. I think I said this before. I think my biggest issue has always been like me feeling like all the weight is just on me and not um using my village as much as I as I should have. Like, even you talking about you first met Mack at TJ Maxx, like that's crazy to me, bro. Like, I don't even like the thought of that. Or like how when our family grew and then we moved out of the city, like shit, my no, I ain't talked to you in like years. It felt like, or you know what I'm saying? So it was just staying close to my village at the earlier stages of the boys' lives, because I would I think we all would have liked our kids to be a little bit closer, like we were growing up.

Mondo: 21:19

So let's talk about that. Like, you know, I never took anything personal. People go and live their lives and do whatever, right? Like Dante, my best friend, I talk to him like three times a year now, right? Or Sumner used to be at the crib every day growing up. Now I hear from him every few years. So, you know, when you went and started your family or moved out, and it's just like, oh, I ain't heard from Mack, whatever, right? I see my grandma's every year or something. Did you feel like you needed that space or like you needed to grow in a certain way personally, or like like unpack what that was if you have some words to put to it? Um, I did feel like I had to grow a little bit.

Mackk: 22:07

I wanted to accomplish some shit, like and just get away from all the chaos and the noise of the city. Like, I just needed a new headspace. So like when we moved in Shoreview, I don't know if you ever came out there, Mondo, but man, it ain't nothing but trees and trails. So it was just like more peaceful. Like, I feel like I needed that at that time. But then, like, I don't know, I do regret being that far away too at the same time. Cause like, like touring, like, when how often do you go to grandma's? Like, not too often, right? Like, I was on the same shit and thinking back now, it's like, damn, I needed that. Like, I needed that that recharge, that conversation from from Mondo or Touring or going just going to grandma's house. So it was it was good and bad, but that's also part of the reason I moved back to the city too. Like, I need to be closer to family, and then yeah, when all that George Floyd stuff happened, it was just like looking around, it's like, oh, I'm the only brother out here. And I need to get back to the city just because you know, just life changed, mindset changed, but yeah, I did need that time. That's real.

Mondo: 23:19

How would you what do you feel like was the biggest change that happened in you? Did you I don't know, did you become more patient? Did you develop a new sense of artistry? Did you like how did you change? Do you feel?

Mackk: 23:36

Yeah, it was that, but then just appreciating being out there did appreciate taught me to appreciate the things I took for granted. Like being around y'all, like the same shit I just said, like having those conversations, just being around that love. Cause like, like I told you, we had a conversation about your dad and that that situation with that. So I was just like, man, just let me back up a little bit, just go do me and just you know, work, get my family together. But I did take for granted the family for a little bit, and you know, that's some time that I missed out with y'all that I'm never gonna get back. You know what I'm saying?

Torrean: 24:11

So yeah. So I think it's necessary, like looking at me now, when I was younger, I never understood the the whole like switch up. It's like, yo, I'll talk to this dude every day, and then you don't talk to him now, or you might go months without talking to somebody. But then now, like having gone having grown and being older, I look at it like what Mack um like the space Mack took to himself is space that is necessary when you're starting a family. Like you have to dedicate yourself to that person and to that process and like experiencing those things, or it's never gonna work. Um, and I think, you know, I did the same thing, I did the same thing with me and Ricky. It was like I went like a year or two, and like friends are like, Well, you, you, you know, you ain't around, you ain't like this, like, you know, whatever, whatever. And it's like, yo, it had nothing to do with you. It's just, man, I'm trying to focus on like something I've never ever had. And so it's like, y'all did the same thing, but when you're younger, you just look at it like, you know, you might take it a little personal or whatever else, but it's like I'm trying to accomplish something I never had, which is a family. I don't know what that looks like. I don't even understand why I even want to spend this much time with just this one person and really, you know, do that. But I think it's I think that's what family is for, is for you to take them for granted, right? And for you to be like, because you know we ain't going nowhere at the end of the damn day. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's that's real, you know.

Mondo: 25:42

Yeah. Yeah, Mack, the amount of times Torrean sent me the voicemail back then was wild. Well, was that about T?

Mackk: 25:52

Oh, he's lying.

Torrean: 25:53

He's lying his ass up. No, he's lying his ass up right now. Mondo knows if I don't call, he ain't calling me. So ain't with you, Mack. Even though Mack, I would say that probably changed over the last like year, year or two. You know, you call me more than I probably call you now. But well, I don't know. I probably call you every day, so that probably ain't true. But anyway, um, but yeah, you do call me a lot more now. But Mondo has always been one-sided. I remember the one time Mondo called me back, man. Gave me a damn car accident and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Mackk: 26:26

So Oh now is that what happened when you left grandma's house that day?

Torrean: 26:30

Man, we're not talking about that right now, bro.

Mackk: 26:32

No, let me tell you, this dude is the biggest liar. I asked him, like, Torre, you know, I was younger, I'm like, man, what happened? This dude lied and lied and lied, and I still don't know the truth until he just said it. He gonna tell, he's gonna say something. He said something like, Yeah, I uh I fell asleep. I'm like, fool, you just left grandma's house. Yeah, so we definitely wasn't supposed to talk about that.

Torrean: 26:55

All right, that's all good. My bad. My bad. Nah, my grandma, she would always ask me about that. You you talk about that bear, make fun of me. And she was like, You talk about that bear that walked out in front of you on the street. A bear. I don't know, man. I told you.

Mackk: 27:15

Yeah, he be he was capping. And that and that was a sidekick day, so your phone was big as hell. So I can just imagine you trying to answer it or be on that phone while driving. That's crazy.

Mondo: 27:26

But yeah, hey, that that was that was T's first kid. That boy hit sidekick, boy. Yo, T ain't never not had that in his hand. Greatest phone ever, greatest phone ever.

Torrean: 27:36

But yeah, the answer to that question, though. I think if a young me would advise me right now, it would be like, I think he'd be proud of me of the accomplishments we do have, but I think at the same time, I would have thought I would have been like a little bit further on uh along in life, you know, uh, especially from like a financial standpoint of things. But that was like my main focus. But you know, the fact that like I'm uh became a dad and you know, been with the same person for that many, that many years, actually found somebody that you know that I love and they love me back. Like I think that person, I mean, I think the young me would be proud of that, you know. Um and you know, what a what a what uh everything I accomplished. But I do definitely feel like the like Kyle Mondo said, that competitive side would have came out, like, hey man, you gotta you gotta pick it up. You gotta you know, you gotta do these things and everything else. And then that person was a lot angrier than this than me right now. So that would have been an interesting thing to navigate to. Like the fact that you know a young me found peace. Ish. I think ish. Yes, yes, ish. It was very good, Mondo. Appreciate that. Um, but I feel like that would be something that I would appreciate. So reverse it, right? An old you or you right now can go back in the past. What piece of advice would you give yourself?

Mondo: 29:03

Nah, ain't nothing, honestly. Like the the amount of up and down failures and challenges and overcoming certain things in life, and like thinking that I was a know it all, and then God saying, like, bro, you don't know nothing, like all those things like humbled me in a way that I wouldn't tell my younger self anything. I'd be like, bro, you're gonna like this journey, right? Like all the things that you think it is, it ain't. And then a younger self be like, whatever, bro. I ain't trying to hear that. But I'd be like, all right, man, you know, when I see you down the line, like you'd be like, Oh, you was right. So, you know, the the plot twist that that God, I don't know, like rolls into the story, or like the things that you thought were most important, or the reason for. Or fighting for certain things or pursuing certain things, like over time, all that stuff changes, and you just have no awareness of it until you like pause and open your eyes. So to Max point or to Torrean's point, like when you step away for whatever that reason is, things just become more clear, and you're like, oh, okay, now I'm supposed to shift to this next level, which is why I like, yeah, when you in your 30s, you ain't doing stuff you were doing in your 20s, because you just have this new piece of awareness, and like that just keeps happening every decade, I feel like. So I was excited to turn 40, even though I was always talking stuff to Torrean because you know he was sitting at 40 when I was still 39. But now at 40, I'm like, yo, the way this 40-year-old story is kicking off is is quite fire and it's quite different than anything I experienced in my 30s. So I dig it.

Torrean: 30:52

Yeah, the worst thing about 40s, man, is the the random aches, like the random pains, aches and pains, man. Like it'd be random at 40, bro. It's just weird. But yeah, we experienced that mud though.

Mondo: 31:03

I was walking yesterday and all of a sudden, like, like, I don't know, whatever bone is between my hip and my ass. I was like, yo, I'm just walking. Like, why is this hurting right here? I don't even know how to stretch it.

Torrean: 31:17

Hey, shout out to my pops. I went I went to dinner with him last night, man. He was talking about, you know, my dad's got his issues, his issues with his back and his feet and all that stuff. And he was like, Yeah, I gotta get these 15 needles in my ass tomorrow. Like, oh, dude. And I'm like, hey, man. I was like, is that your way of telling me, you know, things have changed? And he was like, oh, real funny, you know, your humor's dry, you know that. But you know, it's like shout out to you, Pops, man. Hope you're feeling better. Yeah, straight up. Yeah. What about you, Mack? What kind of advice would you give a young Mack, a young dog out there in them streets?

Mackk: 31:52

I agree with Mondo, man. You just gotta, man, just keep your faith strong and keep on trucking, bro. Because whatever God has for you is for you, and you'll get there, man. Like, and like Mondo said, when I was younger, bro, I I won't try and hear none of that shit, man. So all right. Just keep you just keep God first, man. Everything else will work itself out, bro. Nah, that's facts.

Torrean: 32:15

Yeah, I'm pretty simple. What about you, T? Yeah, I think for sure I'd be like, um, I need to trust. Like, trust that everything is gonna be okay. Like, I had such a traumatic childhood that it, you know, it took a while to really be able to trust to see that everything was gonna be okay. And um, you know, something like we talked about earlier, you know, uh trusting God's plan, it's uh it's something that I want to be in control of my own destiny, right? Like I want to control the narrative. I'm you know, I don't feel like I'm a control freak when it comes to like things need to be my way, but like when it comes to myself, um I have a problem with trusting others to make sure that I'm okay. And that's probably why I'm an entrepreneur, that's probably why I've chosen the path that I've taken. But it really just being able to say trust and then enjoy the enjoy it as well. Like everything is gonna be okay, everything is gonna work out for you. You know, um, I remember at a young age, I used to have like this like, why can't I have this? Why can't I have this? Or my mentality would sometimes be, um, you know, this happened to me, these things happened to me. And still, you know, and it's like the things that happen, um, everything builds the character you are. And so like that's what I'm able to say, like I'm thankful for now. So like when tragedy does hit, it's like, man, yeah, I take it real hard. Like I'm a real passionate person. That's who I am at my core. Um, like that's probably never gonna change. And I would never want that to change, is my passion. But you know, the anxiety of the unknown can get to me sometimes. And so it's like really trusting God's plan, that's that's huge. And that's what I'm I'm going through that right now. You know, I'm not gonna speak on everything that's going on, but I'm going through that right now and just really trying to trust God's plan. So that's what that's what the you know, my version of me would tell my younger self, because you know, everything does work out, especially if you stay focused and you stay driven. I believe in that. Like if you stay on course and don't let these distractions or you know, keeping up with the Jones mentality or anything out there, society, you know, like if you don't follow, if you always lead, I feel like you'll you'll be in good hands.

Mondo: 34:42

Do you feel like in seasons like this or transition seasons when you pray? Do you pray for a thing? Do you pray for like an emotion or strength or like I don't know, like what do you ask God for? Right? If you're like, yo, I want to trust in your plan, is it just that? Like, God help me trust in your plan even though I can't see it. Uh like how do you reach for that support today?

Torrean: 35:14

Yeah, so my my prayers probably have not, they've evolved, but they have not changed, if that makes sense. So, um, but like safety, security, um, I pray for the world. I pray for my family. I pray for um like not any individual thing. I just pray that I'm able to um fulfill my dreams. You know, but like, you know, or or guidance or strength, you know, I pray for the same thing. Really, since I was like probably like four or five years old, I kind of had the same prayer. And then it's went from one prayer to two prayers, you know, saying God's prayer to my own prayer. Then, you know, like um my brother Maurice's mom, she was in my prayers at at that age. So like I still pray for her every day, um, just based upon what I said when I was a kid. And then going on to that that third layer, now I had, you know, my family in there, and you know, uh my my you know, Ricky and Rainey, I add them into that. And then I, you know, still pray for for everybody else. You know, I pray for you know, pray for years for Mondo to find God. Like that's something that just consciously that I that I that I do. Um, but it you know, it's not like I'm like, hey, can I have this boat or like this materialistic thing? Like materialistic shit don't really matter. I think it's just um, you know, at the end of the day, like I I want to smile. Like, who the who does not want to smile every day? Like, that's a blessing in itself. So not to get too deep, but that is like it's you know, to be on the even looking at y'all right now on the pod, it's like, man, I'm smiling like ear to ear, because like I truly enjoy talking to y'all, and like it's about it's about that, man. At one point in time in my life, like my smiles had a lot of hidden emotions behind them. Yeah, my bad. I I'm sorry for whooping your ass like that, bro. Uh well, that's when you were talking about your mentality of like Kobe, Shaq, and or Kobe Jordan, and Tiger-esque. I'm like, man, that shit was might have had the mentalities, but you never had them victories, bro.

Mackk: 37:32

Yeah, yeah.

Mondo: 37:34

Uh, what about you?

Mackk: 37:36

Well, hold on. I'm gonna say the Torrean, like you truly are blessed, though, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 37:39

Like they do say all dogs go to heaven, so yeah, bro.

Torrean: 37:49

You know, I'm happy to be the dog, you know what I'm saying?

Mackk: 37:55

Nah, but man, my prayers are always for family, for clarity, for our health. Um it's really giving thanks, really. Um because God knows what you need, you know. He so it's just giving thanks for the things that I do appreciate, things I don't that are hard too, because I know he's only strengthening me for something that's gonna be great uh in the future. So I just really give thanks, man.

Torrean: 38:27

Just yeah. You know what's funny, so I just thought about this, right? But it's very true. So like my foundation in in in my uh belief in God comes from my both my grandmothers, right? Like, so grandma Bert and then my uh my grandma Ruthie. And it's like, but the the two biggest nervous wrecks I know in life are my two grandmas, but they have the most faith. Like, how does that work? Like that's that's uh that that is hilarious to me because like how does that work?

Mackk: 38:58

Like, man, that was a strength to keep going throughout the fear, bro. Like when you suffer from anxiety and you're anxious a lot, bro. Like, that's what made my relationship to God closer. Because I'm like, yo, I I keep having this anxiety, but I keep pushing through every time. And it's only God's strength that allows me to even be fearless enough to go do these things that I'm terrified of. So I could, I can, I can uh relate to grandma and them a little bit.

Torrean: 39:24

Fuck. Yeah. I mean, and they're both like, you know, grandma birds for like five feet, my other grandma's like five too. So it's like they're not really these strong women that have the most strength. Like, not you know, I'm 6'3, about 330 right now, down 30-something pounds. Okay, feeling good, feeling good, but it's like, yes, sir, yo, I don't have the strength they had.

Mackk: 39:47

Yeah, but I know I know we're not gonna talk about it, but I do remember, Mondo, you did say something to me, and I want to tell you, bro, how much this should impacted me. And still to this day, like I think about it. So when the situation happened with Lil' Bro, I had already had a football tournament paid for. We had a trip to Orlando. And you remember when I hit you up and I asked, like, your advice if I should go or not? I hit you up and I was like, man, I got this is on my mind. Like, I I'm debating if I should go or stay home. And Mondo said, You still have a family you have to take care of and look after, but you don't have to worry about Vine because God is taking care of Vine while you're gone, or will take care of Vine while you're gone. So for Mondo to be on this path, but then he said this, what, three years, almost three years ago?

Mondo: 40:38

Dang.

Mackk: 40:39

Yeah. So that's wild. Yeah, but it impacted like you saying that was the only reason I went, and going on that trip during the darkest moment of my life, like Mack and one, of course, like I ain't trying to get into all of that, but I discovered I have made like some lifetime friends from like you know, other parents on the team, Mack and his friends, like the joy that I had going there, watching them win, just watching them be in the element and just celebrate one another. And like I know Mack is gonna remember that the rest of his life. So, like, yeah, I just appreciate you, bruh.

Mondo: 41:21

No, that's that's super dope. Man, yeah, I didn't remember saying that, but just hearing you say that, like, you needed to go experience that joy. As heavy as that was, bruh, like God was like, yo, let me give you this blessing right now, Mack. Like, yeah.

Mackk: 41:41

Yeah, but but that message coming from you who wasn't really. Yeah, that wasn't my bag. That wasn't your bag then. So when you said it, I was like, oh yeah, I you know, it's meant for me to go on this trip. Yeah, but yeah.

Mondo: 41:54

Thanks for saying that, bro. Like, I have I have been trying to be a lot better at uh I don't know, being a channel, right? For God's words to come through me as opposed to Mondo's logical approach. I feel like that's what this whole experience has been about. I was kind of alluding to that in the last episode when I was talking about Dame Dash, like super intelligent businessman, whatever, but it's just like, yo, there's still another layer to this. And so, like you sharing that story was just a word that God needed me to say to you at that time, and I was just open, right? As opposed to like trying to solve a problem. I said something that really didn't make the most sense, but like it's just a faith-based approach, which is just brand new. And so, yeah, now I just try to be that wherever I can be, man. So thank you for saying that. That that definitely like feeds myself. No, for sure.

Torrean: 42:49

So I do have a question to say, ask y'all, and I'm gonna ask it, but then I'm gonna tell you something that I want. I'm gonna tell you what I want for y'all when I ask this, when I ask this question, if that makes sense. So just follow me on this, okay? So the question is is talked about kind of your pathway growing up, me coming young young dads, right? Um, and young being young men. But talk about it now, you know, Mondo, you got a uh 18-year-old going on 19 in college, Mack, you got four kids, and they're from what 15 to 4? Yeah, 15 to 4. I got an eight-year-old about to be nine years old. And um with that being said, what is it we talked about God's plan, right? But what is your plan going forward right now for yourselves? And this is what I want for y'all. What I want for y'all is I felt really blessed over the last few years to be able to smile with the joy that I have with really hardly, you know, trying to be just living in the moment and not having too many worries, right? Like an inner peace that's really hard to describe. And that's what I want for y'all. Like, and I know Mondo, I know like you're a super positive person, but I don't think you've discovered this smile quite yet that I'm talking about. And I just need you to trust me on saying that. That's not a judgment at all. It's just me saying that. And saying what you, Mack, like as positive as y'all are, I don't feel like y'all had that same smile yet. But anyway, that's what I want for y'all. Just to be able to figure out like to feel like that that moment where you're just like, man, I I kind of understand what you're talking about, T. But that being said, like in this moment, what's your path for yourselves? I think, and this is just me being honest with y'all. Mondo got this big ass smirk on his face, bro. Where are you going with this mind?

Mackk: 45:18

Oh, Mondo, you gonna you gonna cook. Go ahead, cook up, bro.

Mondo: 45:24

I love you for saying what you just said. Go ahead. And I think it's a projection into a mirror. Like, I think everything you just said, you were talking directly to yourself because I would say Mack and I have a certain smile, and you're the one who was like, yo, I'm reaching for this next level smile of joy and consistency. And so in that moment, I just had to say that back, like, T, you might be right, but from my vantage point, it feels like you were saying that to yourself. So, like, however, we receive those words, we receive it. But I just had to say that out loud.

Torrean: 46:07

Yeah, yeah, cool. Maybe, I mean, maybe that is the case, but I don't, I I I for sure am not having that same smile right now, but um, but I wasn't talking to myself. I was meaning that for you. So I just want you to receive that because I don't want that to be like, uh, T didn't mean that for me. No, I did mean that for you. And like I just want you to genuinely take that for what it's worth. It's all good.

Mackk: 46:32

So I'll go I'll go to intervene, but I think that most people, that lack of smiles comes from either being in a hole or being one situation in a hole financially, right? I think that moving forward, I want to create something or be a part of something like that sets me, gives me a lot more stability financially. So then I can focus on helping the people around me, because it's really that's what I'm passionate about. But how life is and society is, bro, like money is like the ultimate distraction for me in my life. So, like, that's always at the forefront of my mind because I got bills, I got kids to feed, you know, they got needs, they got wants, and I don't want them to feel like they're lacking anything. Just as a man, that kind of hurts my pride a little bit. But I think the ultimate smile you're talking about is just like once I'm financially secure, then I can pour into the people around me, my community, my family, my kids, like, and just not have that worry of bills or just money and all that other shit that don't really matter, but you know.

Torrean: 47:46

That makes sense to y'all. Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, I know you got the clothing line. I seen you out there hustling this weekend, so yeah. It's all a hustle.

Mondo: 47:55

Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't have a full answer yet to your question, T. I feel like I feel like it's often challenging for me to explain or highlight how I see the world in a way that somebody else can understand it. And so right now I'm thinking about chess, right? Like we always talk about all the pieces on the chessboard. And if I'm the king on the chessboard, I definitely gotta have my queen. And so let's say for my whole life, I didn't have the queen on the board, right? I have to be the one that's just moving one spot at a time on the chessboard. And like just being able to do that, like I ain't killing nobody, I ain't slaying nobody on the board, I'm just moving in a way that everything else around me shifts, given where I am at on the board. And so, like, just following God's guidance to be like, go here, go there, do that, talk to this person, do this business idea for five days or five years, whatever it is, like I'm just called to go stand in that spot just to shift everything else that's happening on the board, but I have no idea the impact that I'm actually having. And so I have a lot of joy in that, in the unknown and living in the unknown, and just being like, yo, God surprised me every day. And I feel like to this point, like I love that. I love not having to pursue and hustle towards something, and in contrast, kind of like being a puppet on God's hand, like, yo, I'm just gonna move you around, trust me, and it's gonna be a dope story no matter what. So I know y'all were y'all, you know. I started saying that conversation, and y'all, y'all cats, it was like, hey Mondo, don't don't go there. Uh so I appreciate it.

Torrean: 50:08

But uh Yeah, Mack was covering his mouth like a church one. I'm like, what the hell's wrong with you? I was trying not to, I ain't you know hand flopped over.

Mackk: 50:18

Cool. I just used to hear Mondo say shit like that, you know.

Torrean: 50:21

Hand was flopped over. I thought he was gonna grab some tissue, start crying and shit. I'm like, what the hell, Mack?

unknown: 50:27

No.

Mondo: 50:27

No, like hearing like hearing Mack talk about, you know, like the different ways he has to think about how he moves, like with a partner and four kids, and just what that looks like and the things that he has to consider and the responsibility. Uh just it feels a lot different to me now. And not to say that Torre and you and I are different, but we just have that one girl. And so, like Mack having this different layer of responsibility, and just now me just like thinking broader and then being like, yo, how do I want to move in this world with just a more dynamic story? I just I just wish I had better words and I don't, so I'll just leave it there.

Torrean: 51:14

Yeah, no, that's what's up. I think uh I think ultimately it's about feeling valued, right? Feeling valued and feeling at your worth. And that can mean professionally, that can mean your personal life, that can mean kind of wherever. But like, you know, it's like, man, like to me, y'all two, man, I don't know where the hell I would be at in life if it wasn't for y'all to. Like, I might have hurt somebody, I could have still be angry or whatever, but you know, uh, I was blessed at a young age, or a younger age, I should say, you know, 25 to 30, to be able to figure out like, okay, my release is through stress is talking it through. Like, you know, I gotta be able to talk it through. I gotta be able to trust people. And, you know, I got um some great, great, I got a great, great support system. I got 10 people plus I could call and just let it all out to. Where some people don't have anybody. You know. Um, so like that's the best thing for me. But it, you know, I think it's like, you know, being valued and saying, man, I'm I know I'm good enough. Uh something that like I know I've struggled with because I'm like, man, like I know I'm I know I'm the shit. You know, I know I'm daddy out here, you know, and I've been told I'm daddy out here, but you know, it's like always uh, you know, feeling that value, you know, is something that you that you kind of you know sometimes don't feel. Or you might be like, yo, I applied for this, or you know, business could be better, or you know, my relationship could be better, or whatever. It's just like it's all a value. Uh for me, myself, in this season, what I wish I could, or where my path is going, I don't know. Really, it's a kind of an undefined season for me, but I just know that I want to be the healthiest version of myself that I can be. And that's something that I can control, and that's something I'm putting in work to control is being healthy. Because I see um, you know, I believe it's important to like learn from the generation before. And like I just see like how unhealthy choices have um hurt those that I love. And um in that healthiness, you know, it's not just about physical appearance, it's not just about like um physicality, it's also having that mental stability as well. Um, it's also just making sure your relationships with whoever is in your life is healthy and those type of things. And so um really that's that's where I'm at, man. That's where my future stuff will be. So, you know, when we go back and rewind this episode 10 years from now or whatever, it'd be kind of just even a year from now or even six months from now, it'd be kind of you know great to see the growth that we may have achieved, or let's say we've uh declined in what you know our goals, just to have that reminder of like, hey, this is what you wanted for yourself, you know.

Mondo: 54:32

Let me piggyback that because I think you said something super important. So we've all heard the term or phrase birds of a feather, right? Like all y'all essentially the same type of strand of Tweety bird out here. But when you talked about elevating your health, mind, body, spirit, or whatever that is, when one person chooses to do that, I think they outgrow that flock. And either that flock follows them and they elevate to, or God sends you a new flock that is equally yoked or equally balanced, and that with that same level of health. And so, like, I'm really proud of you saying, like, yo, I'm in this unknown-ish season, and the one thing that I can control is my health. Because in the unknown, you could dive, right? Like, you could become more unhealthy, pick up more unhealthy habits, and then like the spiral happens. Or what you're committing to, you're like, nope, I'm gonna evolve into a healthier version of me. And then when you do, God's like, oh, like, like, thank you for leveling up as opposed to leveling down, and then your story changes. So, like, shout out to you for making that commitment, bro.

Torrean: 55:52

No problem, I'm probably glad daddy could inspire. You know what I'm saying? Um, you know, I'm glad I could inspire. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad I got some words of wisdom out there. You know, I'm glad you ready to take something from that, Mondo.

Mondo: 56:14

No, I just had to take what you said and consolidate it because you'd be talking for 14 minutes, bro. And I do.

Torrean: 56:21

I do. I'm long-winded. I love being long-winded because I try to break it down in simple, simple terms, you know. Uh, but no, I do believe in uh something like in business, you know. I believe in the you're the average of the five people you hang out with the most. I do believe in that. I believe in that from a professional standpoint as well. Um, but I think that it's like you can have many different circles in your life. You can have your family, you can have your friends, and you could have those that you surround yourselves that maybe keep you a little bit more motivated or keep you grounded. I know it's uh, you know, that challenge you, right? It's important to have people in life that will challenge you or give you new experiences and stuff. So um I believe in everything you said, Mondo. Um that's just kind of a philosophy that I've had over the last like I would say five years, and I think it's served me, it served me right for sure. That's real.

Mackk: 57:13

I mean, on that point though, Mondo, I got a question for you. So Taurin always had a group of friends and family, so he always had different circles. Do you have different circles or people that you talk to outside of family, like at this point in your life right now?

Mondo: 57:27

Nah, bro. Like people crack so many jokes, like Amondo kick it with a cousin or two. And that's it. Like, I got my uh like my one like beat uh business board of director group, uh coalition nine group, but outside of that, nah, my my circle is super small, bro. So is that is that is your life better or I feel like there are only let me not say there are only, God has only delivered a small group of humans who I feel like we speak the same language. And so I have no desire to be in spaces trying to convince other people that my language is the right language. I rather spend my time saying some things where people could disagree with what I'm saying, but at least they like understand the language, it's not foreign to them. So right now there's just a handful of folks that I can sit down and enjoy having an hour conversation with, right? Or two hours or whatever. And it's just be like, yo, we leave thinking about other people's perspective, come back and you know, add more to the conversation, but I'm not talking, and people are looking at me like, I have no idea what you're talking about, bro. I can't, I can't be in those circles. That's real. Yeah. Which, which part of my, I don't want to say struggle, part of my reservation on why I haven't been more outspoken is because I feel like the language that I speak is old man. Like, just this old man, slow pace energy, and people younger than me or with a younger soul, like they still in hustle mode. But if I go talk to like yesterday, I had a meeting with just an amazing human who has been married 50 years, just an OG, accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish in life. And we just in in having breakfast, like cracking up, just having a good time. And like everything I say, he's volleying back and forth. And it's just like we're speaking the same language, but it's just because I got this old soul, and I'm just like, yo, I appreciate this conversation and your insight. But if you were 40, 50 years younger, we probably wouldn't be able to have this conversation. And so I don't know, man. I like I like spending time with old. Folks. Seasoned folks. Let me not call them old. Getting that wisdom.

Torrean: 1:00:06

All right. Last question, fellas. What's your dream for the pod? We talked about personal. You know, we're doing this podcast. What's your dream for the pod?

Mondo: 1:00:18

Dream for the pod is one, we have a full production team to do this in person. And I would love for every quarter, we are doing the pod in some different place that's not Minnesota. We like, yeah, we're about to just travel to this spot, do this pod in this city, or we're about to go kick it as fellas, but while we're out, like we're gonna do a pod while we're there. No, no, okay. How about you, bro?

Mackk: 1:00:50

I second that, bro. I'm with Mondo. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I third. I want to I want to be on a beach somewhere with my chest hair out. Talking about talking about who's the daddies up in this business. No, I'm saying you're looking for me. Nigga, it's a dad podcast, bro.

Torrean: 1:01:07

Oh, that was weird, bro. I'm never gonna be like, I'm never gonna be on the beach with my chest out. I'm never gonna be on the beach with my chest hair out. Talking about where the daddies.

Mackk: 1:01:17

Damn, that was a big pause. That was a pause. It's all good. It's just Tori is live for me, bro. Nigga turning red. You got you got one, you got one, you got one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:41

You got one.

Mackk: 1:01:42

That was crazy. Hey, Mondo, edit that shit out. I'm just saying, we good.

Torrean: 1:01:49

That's just that shit's staying in there.

Mackk: 1:01:52

Hey, when you secure with who you are, you ain't gotta worry about shit like that.

Torrean: 1:01:56

I guess not, man.

Mackk: 1:01:57

Big Diddy.

Torrean: 1:01:59

I guess not.

Mackk: 1:02:00

I will not be on the beach with Mack. Oh, because we hey, we ain't gonna talk about when we was in Vegas and you invited me to uh your hotel. And it was a don't.

Torrean: 1:02:13

I know what you're talking about. No, first of all, I didn't invite you to a hotel. Your whole crew, your whole crew was at that hotel.

Mackk: 1:02:20

Because you said, let's go to my hotel, let's go to the pool pool. Hey, all right. So just just to give some what happened. We're in Vegas. We had our football team out there, we had a tournament. Torrean came out there and was like, hey, we should go back kick it at our pool at the hotel, at the pyramids hotel. It was a it was a gay pool party out there. I didn't know. Bruh, we had kids out there, we had dudes out there that was super gay. And I'm looking like, man, you had me bringing these kids around these people. And Mack was at the pool, like, where the daddy's at? No. Hell no. I ain't got nothing against him. I'm just saying. We weren't prepared for that. Right. We had fun though. It was.

Torrean: 1:03:06

It was a fun time.

Mackk: 1:03:07

If you remember, if you remember, I'm like, we went, we went all the way upstairs to the food court and sat there. It was chilling. That part was fun.

Torrean: 1:03:15

Yeah. Nah. You always talk about how that trip was fun. So now you're trying to you're trying to front.

Mackk: 1:03:21

No, the trip, the trip was dope. The trip was dope.

Torrean: 1:03:24

But the food party part was kind of crazy. Nah, it was, for sure. That's a story. That's wild. Um, what about you, T? Yeah. What about what's your dream? My dream for the pod, man, is to uh everything Mondo said, you know, but I also hope that we have we're able to add value every day. Like people are able to really see the value that we're able to add on a weekly basis. And um, you know, I hope this like projects us out there. Like I would love to do this as a full-time thing. Um, you know, for say it, say it with your chest then, bruh. Yeah, hell yeah, Mack. Don't take your shirt off, bruh. But you know, I'm gonna say it with my chest, you know. I hope this this turns into a full-time thing for us, you know. Uh, so it's really important for the audience, um, or people listening to um, you know, support, ask questions, like bring up topics, you know. You want to come on, come on. And um, we're gonna really gonna try to grow this thing as much as possible. So, yeah. Hey, where the daddy's at is crazy.

Mackk: 1:04:24

I know. Yeah, that's just wild. What the what was I think? You disturbed my peace with that one. You deserved your own peace, bro. That's crazy.

Torrean: 1:04:39

You disturbed your own peace, bro. You know, but at least you at least you were keeping it honest. At least you was keeping it honest.

Mackk: 1:04:45

Play as fuck up too. That's all good.

Torrean: 1:04:48

All right, who's gonna wrap it up for us? I I'm on timeout. Hey, I got you know, go ahead, Mondora, I got it.

Mackk: 1:05:02

Go ahead, go ahead, Torrin.

Torrean: 1:05:03

You got it. All right. Uh so man, this morning, we kept it real light today. Uh this morning, man, I was talking to a friend of mine, and he told me one of his friends committed suicide at 44 years old. Um guy has kids. He knows he has some found out some information about himself uh from a health standpoint that just ultimately maybe put him over the edge for whatever reason. Um so I just want to say, man, like no matter what you're going through in life, you always got people. You know, check in with your pod, check in with your your favorite podcast, check in with your people. If you ain't got no people, straight up hit me up on social because uh it's important that we never give up on ourselves. It's important that we remember that our journey is special and that um things always do get better. So um that's just really from the heart. That's just really what I gotta say. You know, um prayers to the to this guy's family, and you know, I hope my people's um that are that know this guy um are good as well. But that's just something that and I found out right before we came on the podcast. But um just really important to let people know like you're not alone, and even when you do feel alone, um just remember who the fuck you are, and um that's what I'm gonna say. So uh for Mondo, aka the King of Frolicing, and Mack wondering where the daddies are and the studs, I'm Torrean, aka Daddy, we out.